1 00:00:04,909 --> 00:00:06,743 Man: Children were molested here! 2 00:00:06,743 --> 00:00:11,159 And it's directly connected to the football program. 3 00:00:11,159 --> 00:00:14,034 Man 2: Joe Paterno did know that Sandusky 4 00:00:14,034 --> 00:00:16,243 - was abusing boys in the shower. - No, he did not! 5 00:00:16,243 --> 00:00:18,076 Man 3: I firmly believe, in his mind, 6 00:00:18,076 --> 00:00:19,909 he did what he thought was right. 7 00:00:19,909 --> 00:00:21,410 Man 4: I think Joe Paterno's getting thrown 8 00:00:21,410 --> 00:00:23,034 under the bus here a little bit. 9 00:00:23,034 --> 00:00:24,577 Man 5: He is not the Attorney General, 10 00:00:24,577 --> 00:00:25,993 he's the football coach. 11 00:00:25,993 --> 00:00:27,743 Man 7: He was the Godfather! 12 00:00:27,743 --> 00:00:32,368 He was aware of what happened, and allowed it to happen. 13 00:00:32,368 --> 00:00:36,118 Woman: Joe! Where are you going? 14 00:00:36,118 --> 00:00:37,785 I'm going to the john. 15 00:00:37,785 --> 00:00:39,243 It's back here. 16 00:00:39,243 --> 00:00:41,785 It's right across the hall from where we just were. 17 00:00:41,785 --> 00:00:43,493 Come on! 18 00:00:43,493 --> 00:00:45,493 Oh, yeah. 19 00:00:45,493 --> 00:00:47,159 I got turned around. 20 00:00:48,951 --> 00:00:51,118 Yeah, it's just right over here across the hall. 21 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:56,285 ( machine buzzing ) 22 00:01:06,993 --> 00:01:08,785 ( clank ) 23 00:01:33,951 --> 00:01:35,951 ( muffled cheering ) Penn State! 24 00:01:37,535 --> 00:01:39,326 Penn State! 25 00:01:52,451 --> 00:01:55,201 - ( crowd cheering ) - ( air horns blows ) 26 00:01:55,201 --> 00:01:57,993 ( marching band playing ) 27 00:02:00,951 --> 00:02:04,076 Announcer: Eight inches of winter's wrath expected, 28 00:02:04,076 --> 00:02:07,993 as Joe Paterno seeks win number 409 29 00:02:07,993 --> 00:02:11,076 to surpass all Division I football coaches. 30 00:02:11,076 --> 00:02:13,743 - Man: Take one. - Man 2: Give me the stats on Bolden and McGloin. 31 00:02:13,743 --> 00:02:15,034 Go to mascot. 32 00:02:17,743 --> 00:02:20,702 ( cheering, chanting ) 33 00:02:20,702 --> 00:02:22,660 Commentator: Joe Paterno up in the booth again today. 34 00:02:22,660 --> 00:02:24,368 That is certainly not his preference. 35 00:02:24,368 --> 00:02:25,909 Announcer: Joe is coaching from the press box today 36 00:02:25,909 --> 00:02:27,535 due to a hip injury sustained 37 00:02:27,535 --> 00:02:29,243 in practice a couple weeks back. 38 00:02:35,201 --> 00:02:37,702 ( camera shutter clicks ) - Paterno: Guido. 39 00:02:37,702 --> 00:02:39,660 - Mm-hmm? - What's that? 40 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:41,493 Bobby, no shots of Joe in the booth. 41 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:43,285 Man: Look, look. Kay? 42 00:02:43,285 --> 00:02:45,827 - Busted. - N-Number 31, please. 43 00:02:45,827 --> 00:02:48,243 - Give me the camera. - Nope, nope. I'm deleting. 44 00:02:48,243 --> 00:02:49,785 Security: No pictures of JoePa. 45 00:02:49,785 --> 00:02:51,368 Announcer: As college football seems 46 00:02:51,368 --> 00:02:53,034 to change more rapidly than ever, 47 00:02:53,034 --> 00:02:55,076 he remains the constant. 48 00:02:55,076 --> 00:02:56,618 JoePa. Penn state. 49 00:02:56,618 --> 00:02:59,785 At age 84, he is not just still in the game, 50 00:02:59,785 --> 00:03:01,909 in many ways, he is the game. 51 00:03:01,909 --> 00:03:06,034 And with one more win, another milestone. 52 00:03:06,034 --> 00:03:07,827 And there's the kick! 53 00:03:07,827 --> 00:03:08,993 Penn state offense will take over 54 00:03:08,993 --> 00:03:11,660 on its own 35-yard line. 55 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:13,243 Ready in blue? 56 00:03:13,243 --> 00:03:15,076 McGloin out of the shotgun, heaving long... 57 00:03:16,743 --> 00:03:18,368 Commentator: We asked Joe Paterno, 58 00:03:18,368 --> 00:03:19,410 "How do you get that message 59 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:20,410 down to the sideline?" 60 00:03:20,410 --> 00:03:21,410 He writes it down, 61 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:22,451 "If I call 41 power, 62 00:03:22,451 --> 00:03:23,868 I better see 41 power." 63 00:03:23,868 --> 00:03:26,076 All right. Split left, drag 46 strong. 64 00:03:26,076 --> 00:03:28,702 Watch if they sub. Check their angle if they do. 65 00:03:28,702 --> 00:03:30,159 Catch 'em by surprise. 66 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:32,326 Announcer: And the snow continues to fall. 67 00:03:32,326 --> 00:03:35,451 Redd takes it on second down... 68 00:03:35,451 --> 00:03:37,951 and they get another Penn State first down at the 25. 69 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:41,451 Reporter: Here at Penn State, we've still got 0-0, 70 00:03:41,451 --> 00:03:44,285 but the crowd could not be more electric. 71 00:03:44,285 --> 00:03:46,743 Everybody here is wondering if JoePa can deliver 72 00:03:46,743 --> 00:03:50,410 an historic 409th win for the Nittany Lions. 73 00:03:50,410 --> 00:03:51,868 Announcer: And the tailback--- 74 00:03:51,868 --> 00:03:54,577 Bolden fumbles! Illinois has got it. 75 00:03:54,577 --> 00:03:58,243 - Shit. - A straight fumble by the sophomore... 76 00:03:58,243 --> 00:04:00,410 Let's go, defense! 77 00:04:00,410 --> 00:04:03,743 Get that motherfucker out of this game right now! 78 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:04,868 Who the fuck was that? 79 00:04:04,868 --> 00:04:06,201 They want Bolden out of the game. 80 00:04:06,201 --> 00:04:08,410 - You want him out? - No. 81 00:04:08,410 --> 00:04:10,076 Keep him in. 82 00:04:10,076 --> 00:04:11,993 Give me a shot of Bolden on the sidelines. 83 00:04:15,368 --> 00:04:16,909 Announcer: End of the first half, 84 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:18,660 exactly where we started: 85 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:19,660 Zero-zero. 86 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:20,993 Stupid mother-- 87 00:04:23,618 --> 00:04:24,827 - You goin' down? - No. 88 00:04:24,827 --> 00:04:27,660 By the time I get down with this gimp, 89 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:29,993 halftime will be over. 90 00:04:31,285 --> 00:04:33,201 Coach is stayin' up here. 91 00:04:33,201 --> 00:04:35,326 Jay's comin' down. 92 00:04:35,326 --> 00:04:37,493 ( band playing ) 93 00:04:37,493 --> 00:04:39,660 Woman: Jay Is on the move-- without his dad. 94 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:41,410 Man: Jay in the locker room? 95 00:04:41,410 --> 00:04:42,660 That's insane. 96 00:04:42,660 --> 00:04:44,493 - They hate him. - The team? 97 00:04:44,493 --> 00:04:45,993 Yeah, he's a total doorknob. 98 00:04:45,993 --> 00:04:48,034 Why do you think Joe won't retire? 99 00:04:48,034 --> 00:04:49,660 Oh, what? Like if they wait long enough, 100 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:51,785 he'll turn into head coach material? 101 00:04:51,785 --> 00:04:55,243 You motherfuckers! Hey, hey, listen to me! 102 00:04:55,243 --> 00:04:57,577 You think you can get on the headset and talk to me like that?! 103 00:04:57,577 --> 00:04:59,243 What are you guys, a bunch of fucking-- 104 00:04:59,243 --> 00:05:02,076 ( yelling ) 105 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:05,618 Back off! 106 00:05:05,618 --> 00:05:07,535 You were out there! Show some respect! 107 00:05:07,535 --> 00:05:10,201 - Come on. - Give me a break! 108 00:05:10,201 --> 00:05:12,577 Honey, you remember Jerry Sandusky and Dottie. 109 00:05:12,577 --> 00:05:14,243 Good to see you. How ya doin'? 110 00:05:14,243 --> 00:05:15,909 They need you back on that line, Jerry. 111 00:05:15,909 --> 00:05:17,909 - We miss you. - They're doin' okay. 112 00:05:25,243 --> 00:05:27,410 You still think he's a pedophile? 113 00:05:28,827 --> 00:05:30,410 You know, nobody read your article. 114 00:05:30,410 --> 00:05:31,410 Fuck you. 115 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:33,909 It's been six months. 116 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:35,743 That popcorn kernel didn't pop. 117 00:05:35,743 --> 00:05:36,618 Time to move on. 118 00:05:38,118 --> 00:05:39,535 That's just my opinion. 119 00:05:39,535 --> 00:05:42,743 Well, nobody's asking for your opinion. 120 00:05:42,743 --> 00:05:44,909 We got a heads-up from the attorney general's office. 121 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:47,243 They're charging Jerry in the next few weeks. 122 00:05:47,243 --> 00:05:48,493 What, the business with the shower? 123 00:05:48,493 --> 00:05:50,577 They have more than one incident. 124 00:05:50,577 --> 00:05:51,909 What, with the same kid? 125 00:05:51,909 --> 00:05:53,410 Multiple incidents with the same kid, 126 00:05:53,410 --> 00:05:54,368 and multiple kids. 127 00:05:54,368 --> 00:05:55,368 ( sighs ) Oh, Jesus. 128 00:05:55,368 --> 00:05:56,743 All in our locker room? 129 00:05:56,743 --> 00:06:00,868 I don't know. Look, evidently... 130 00:06:00,868 --> 00:06:04,034 you two might be named in the indictment. 131 00:06:04,034 --> 00:06:05,410 What the fuck you talkin' about? 132 00:06:05,410 --> 00:06:07,201 Cynthia says they've got no case. 133 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:09,493 She's gonna get it thrown out. 134 00:06:09,493 --> 00:06:11,076 We just need to ride it out. 135 00:06:11,076 --> 00:06:12,951 That's easy for you to say, Graham. 136 00:06:12,951 --> 00:06:14,993 I am in this a hundred percent with you. 137 00:06:14,993 --> 00:06:19,034 Oh, we're-- we're indicted alongside an accused pedophile 138 00:06:19,034 --> 00:06:20,451 and you're say-- Ohh. 139 00:06:20,451 --> 00:06:23,785 Wow, I just hit the motherlode. 140 00:06:23,785 --> 00:06:25,285 You're not taking a fall, Gary. 141 00:06:25,285 --> 00:06:27,660 I will make sure that doesn't happen. 142 00:06:27,660 --> 00:06:29,076 Hey, guys. Can I get a quick hit? 143 00:06:29,076 --> 00:06:30,368 Of course. 144 00:06:30,368 --> 00:06:31,951 Ready one, take one. 145 00:06:31,951 --> 00:06:33,451 Reporter: I'm here with Penn State University 146 00:06:33,451 --> 00:06:35,243 president Graham Spanier, 147 00:06:35,243 --> 00:06:37,951 vice president of the university Gary Schultz, 148 00:06:37,951 --> 00:06:40,451 and Athletic Director Tim Curley. 149 00:06:40,451 --> 00:06:44,118 You are looking at a possible 409 wins 150 00:06:44,118 --> 00:06:46,451 for Penn State's own JoePa. 151 00:06:46,451 --> 00:06:47,827 How does that feel? 152 00:06:47,827 --> 00:06:49,743 Mara, we couldn't be more excited. 153 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:52,159 Ready one, take one! 154 00:06:52,159 --> 00:06:54,285 TV: If you want to get a sense of how respected, 155 00:06:54,285 --> 00:06:57,951 how revered, Joe Paterno is here at Penn State, 156 00:06:57,951 --> 00:07:00,868 look at this: a monument they built to him 157 00:07:00,868 --> 00:07:03,034 calling him a coach, an educator, 158 00:07:03,034 --> 00:07:04,993 and a humanitarian. 159 00:07:07,451 --> 00:07:09,285 - We are! - Penn State! 160 00:07:09,285 --> 00:07:10,451 - We are! - Penn State! 161 00:07:10,451 --> 00:07:12,034 - We are! - Penn State! 162 00:07:12,034 --> 00:07:15,118 ( shouting ) 163 00:07:15,118 --> 00:07:17,159 ( crowd cheering) 164 00:07:17,159 --> 00:07:19,326 Quarterback: And...hut! 165 00:07:19,326 --> 00:07:21,535 Announcer: Scheelhaase to throw to the end zone, 166 00:07:21,535 --> 00:07:23,201 touchdown! 167 00:07:23,201 --> 00:07:25,535 - 3:32 to go in the third. - Aw, shit. 168 00:07:25,535 --> 00:07:28,743 It's Illinois who strikes first. 169 00:07:28,743 --> 00:07:31,451 - Paterno on two. Standby, two. - Tighter on Paterno. 170 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,410 Slow push him, slow push him. Ready, two? Take two. 171 00:07:33,410 --> 00:07:35,368 Announcer: Third and goal. 172 00:07:35,368 --> 00:07:37,285 McGloin fumbles the football, 173 00:07:37,285 --> 00:07:40,201 picks it up again, sacked at the 15. 174 00:07:40,201 --> 00:07:44,034 That is the sixth fumble of the day by Penn State. 175 00:07:44,034 --> 00:07:46,285 Fourth and goal, the kicking unit comes out. 176 00:07:46,285 --> 00:07:48,201 Fera's 30-yarder 177 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:50,368 is...good! 178 00:07:50,368 --> 00:07:52,243 Penn State's on the board. 179 00:07:52,243 --> 00:07:53,868 It's seven-three. 180 00:07:53,868 --> 00:07:55,451 ...on four. 181 00:07:55,451 --> 00:07:57,743 Scheelhaase is gonna run again on third and twelve. 182 00:07:57,743 --> 00:07:59,868 This time Penn State's ready 183 00:07:59,868 --> 00:08:03,326 to force fourth down for Illinois. 184 00:08:03,326 --> 00:08:04,535 Man: Take one. 185 00:08:04,535 --> 00:08:06,285 Announcer: 3:05 to go. 186 00:08:06,285 --> 00:08:08,577 80 yards for the Penn State offense. 187 00:08:08,577 --> 00:08:10,410 Nittany Lions need a touchdown. 188 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:12,577 What's the story with Moye? 189 00:08:12,577 --> 00:08:14,243 Fractured metatarsal. 190 00:08:14,243 --> 00:08:16,577 Doctor says he can go if it's an emergency. 191 00:08:16,577 --> 00:08:18,743 Well, this looks like an emergency. 192 00:08:20,118 --> 00:08:21,076 You got Moye? 193 00:08:21,076 --> 00:08:23,076 Moye! Moye! Get Moye! 194 00:08:23,076 --> 00:08:26,243 Moye, let's go! Come on, come on, let's go. 195 00:08:26,243 --> 00:08:28,951 The team needs you. Joe needs you. Go! Go! 196 00:08:28,951 --> 00:08:31,243 Announcer: And McGloin, 197 00:08:31,243 --> 00:08:32,743 the junior quarterback from Scranton. 198 00:08:32,743 --> 00:08:35,451 McGloin throws, it's completed! 199 00:08:35,451 --> 00:08:38,285 And who makes the grab but Derek Moye, 200 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:41,076 coming back from a broken bone in his left foot. 201 00:08:41,076 --> 00:08:43,909 Jay: Now we're in business. They're gonna crowd the line, 202 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:45,535 think we're gonna run-- let's go to Brown. 203 00:08:46,618 --> 00:08:47,785 Man: Take one. 204 00:08:47,785 --> 00:08:49,243 Ready, two... 205 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:52,743 Announcer: Right back to Justin Brown! 206 00:08:52,743 --> 00:08:55,285 First down, Penn State driving. 207 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:56,785 All right, we got a game here, folks. 208 00:08:56,785 --> 00:08:58,868 Everybody stay focused. Let's do our jobs. 209 00:08:58,868 --> 00:09:00,243 - Fourth down and sixth. - Let's go! 210 00:09:00,243 --> 00:09:02,201 Penn State needs to convert. 211 00:09:02,201 --> 00:09:05,285 McGloin heaves it to the end zone for Moye-- 212 00:09:05,285 --> 00:09:06,951 It is... 213 00:09:06,951 --> 00:09:11,785 incomplete! But there are multiple flags on the play. 214 00:09:11,785 --> 00:09:13,285 Penn State's gonna get another shot. 215 00:09:13,285 --> 00:09:14,743 - ( chatter ) - Man: Nice. 216 00:09:14,743 --> 00:09:17,493 - Time out, time out. - Time out. Time out. 217 00:09:17,493 --> 00:09:20,118 - Time out. Time out. - ( blows whistle ) 218 00:09:20,118 --> 00:09:22,118 Man: All right, Coach. What do you want to do? 219 00:09:23,827 --> 00:09:25,743 Heavy right, 25 counter. 220 00:09:25,743 --> 00:09:27,868 That's good. Heavy right, 25 counter. 221 00:09:27,868 --> 00:09:30,618 - Come on, baby. - Heavy right, 25 counter. 222 00:09:30,618 --> 00:09:33,577 All right. Heavy right, 25 counter. Let's go. 223 00:09:33,577 --> 00:09:35,785 Announcer: A minute-20 to go in the fourth quarter, 224 00:09:35,785 --> 00:09:37,785 down by four, Penn State needs 225 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:39,993 to get into the end zone for the first time today. 226 00:09:41,368 --> 00:09:43,951 McGloin handing off, Silas... 227 00:09:43,951 --> 00:09:45,410 He's in the end zone! 228 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:47,577 Touchdown, Penn State! 229 00:09:47,577 --> 00:09:49,451 With a minute-eight to go, 230 00:09:49,451 --> 00:09:51,868 the Nittany Lions are into the end zone, 231 00:09:51,868 --> 00:09:54,827 - an 80-yard touchdown drive. - Yes! Yes! 232 00:09:54,827 --> 00:09:57,159 Penn State hoping to close it out 233 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:01,159 and give Joe Paterno win number 409, 234 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:02,577 making him the winningest coach 235 00:10:02,577 --> 00:10:04,159 in the history of Division I football. 236 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:08,535 Five seconds. 42-yarder to tie it. 237 00:10:16,827 --> 00:10:18,535 ( crowd roars ) 238 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:21,159 Announcer: No good! Penn State wins! 239 00:10:22,368 --> 00:10:24,535 10-7. 240 00:10:24,535 --> 00:10:28,076 Win 409 for Joe Paterno 241 00:10:28,076 --> 00:10:29,909 as head coach at Penn State.... 242 00:10:29,909 --> 00:10:32,535 ( broadcast fades out ) 243 00:10:32,535 --> 00:10:35,368 ( machine buzzing ) 244 00:10:45,493 --> 00:10:49,034 - ( office chatter ) - ( phone ringing ) 245 00:10:50,868 --> 00:10:53,535 - ( phone rings ) - Sara Ganim. 246 00:11:05,034 --> 00:11:07,702 Holy fucking shit. 247 00:11:07,702 --> 00:11:10,076 Ganim: Criminal charges, Gerald Sandusky. 248 00:11:10,076 --> 00:11:11,493 40 counts. 249 00:11:11,493 --> 00:11:14,159 Involuntary, deviant sexual intercourse, 250 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:16,034 person less than 16 years of age. 251 00:11:16,034 --> 00:11:17,577 Indecent assault, 252 00:11:17,577 --> 00:11:19,243 person less than 16 years of age. 253 00:11:19,243 --> 00:11:22,201 - Aggravated indecent assault-- - Person less than 13 years. 254 00:11:22,201 --> 00:11:23,159 Jesus Chri-- 255 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:24,285 What the fuck. 256 00:11:24,285 --> 00:11:26,076 W-W-Where'd it go? 257 00:11:26,076 --> 00:11:27,702 - Reload. Reload-- - I'm reloading. 258 00:11:27,702 --> 00:11:29,243 - Is it the computer? - I don't know. 259 00:11:29,243 --> 00:11:30,201 Give me a second. 260 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:32,868 Every other site's working. 261 00:11:34,618 --> 00:11:35,868 They pulled it. 262 00:11:35,868 --> 00:11:37,868 ( sighs ) 263 00:11:41,909 --> 00:11:44,243 ( phone line out ringing ) 264 00:11:44,243 --> 00:11:45,285 Boy (over phone): Mike. 265 00:11:45,285 --> 00:11:46,951 Man: Hey, man, are you home? 266 00:11:46,951 --> 00:11:48,493 - No, I'm on my way. - Are you driving? 267 00:11:48,493 --> 00:11:50,451 She told me I could take the car. 268 00:11:50,451 --> 00:11:52,118 - I didn't-- - No, it's fine. Listen, 269 00:11:52,118 --> 00:11:53,577 I need you to pull over for a second. 270 00:11:53,577 --> 00:11:55,159 Can you do that? 271 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:56,451 ( exhales ) 272 00:12:03,493 --> 00:12:06,951 Man ( over phone ): Okay, look. The charges against Jerry went up online. 273 00:12:06,951 --> 00:12:08,827 They disappeared like a minute later, 274 00:12:08,827 --> 00:12:10,785 which means somebody probably posted them by mistake, 275 00:12:10,785 --> 00:12:12,451 but a lot of people saw it, so... 276 00:12:12,451 --> 00:12:15,076 It's happening now. They're gonna arrest him. 277 00:12:15,076 --> 00:12:17,743 Probably tomorrow morning, Sunday at the latest, 278 00:12:17,743 --> 00:12:20,618 and they're gonna have to post the grand jury presentment 279 00:12:20,618 --> 00:12:22,243 when they're ready to bring him in, 280 00:12:22,243 --> 00:12:24,660 so the whole story's gonna be there. 281 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:26,993 It's public. 282 00:12:26,993 --> 00:12:28,827 And I won't say your name. 283 00:12:28,827 --> 00:12:30,951 May use your initials, but... 284 00:12:30,951 --> 00:12:33,201 it's happening. 285 00:12:33,201 --> 00:12:36,285 - ( boy sniffles, sighs ) - Aaron? 286 00:12:37,368 --> 00:12:39,785 ( humorless chuckle ) 287 00:12:39,785 --> 00:12:40,993 Aaron? 288 00:12:40,993 --> 00:12:43,159 ( sniffles, exhales ) 289 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:46,285 Hey, buddy. Hey. 290 00:12:52,577 --> 00:12:55,368 ( operatic singing ) 291 00:12:55,368 --> 00:12:56,368 Woman: Hey, Joe. 292 00:12:56,368 --> 00:12:57,326 Paterno: Yeah. 293 00:12:57,326 --> 00:12:58,618 You wanna have dinner 294 00:12:58,618 --> 00:12:59,827 with Don and Shirley on Sunday night? 295 00:12:59,827 --> 00:13:01,618 No. 296 00:13:01,618 --> 00:13:03,326 Come on, they want to celebrate the win. 297 00:13:03,326 --> 00:13:05,951 Well, let 'em go celebrate by themselves. 298 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:08,868 - ( scoffs ) So, no? - Well, I... 299 00:13:08,868 --> 00:13:11,535 All right, let's see how it plays out on Sunday. 300 00:13:11,535 --> 00:13:13,535 Well, I've got a board meeting in Philly. 301 00:13:13,535 --> 00:13:16,535 Maybe after a day by himself, he'll want to be, you know-- 302 00:13:16,535 --> 00:13:19,827 You asked me a question. Don't ignore the answer. 303 00:13:19,827 --> 00:13:21,159 Oh, hang on one second, Sheryl. 304 00:13:21,159 --> 00:13:22,410 I got Scotty on the other line. 305 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:24,243 Hey, Scotty. I'm on the phone. 306 00:13:24,243 --> 00:13:27,368 - Scotty: Ma, I need to talk to Dad. - Okay. 307 00:13:27,368 --> 00:13:29,909 Uh, Joe, call Scotty when I'm off. 308 00:13:29,909 --> 00:13:32,368 I'll call him when I finish the practice script. 309 00:13:32,368 --> 00:13:34,785 Scotty, he's gonna call you back when he's finished 310 00:13:34,785 --> 00:13:36,159 with the practice scripts, okay? 311 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:38,076 No, no, no, no! Ma, I gotta ta-- 312 00:13:38,076 --> 00:13:41,702 - ( disconnects ) - Yeah, Sheryl. Special Olympics... 313 00:13:41,702 --> 00:13:43,118 Oh, no, it's a 5K. 314 00:13:43,118 --> 00:13:46,868 ( grunts ) You gotta be kiddin' me. 315 00:13:46,868 --> 00:13:49,285 ( starts car, revs engine ) 316 00:13:55,076 --> 00:13:56,410 Gamin: We saw the charges, 317 00:13:56,410 --> 00:13:58,577 but was that one victim or two victims? 318 00:13:58,577 --> 00:14:00,159 Okay, just tell me this: 319 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:01,577 when's the guy gonna get arrested? 320 00:14:01,577 --> 00:14:03,410 Isn't he considered a flight risk? 321 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:06,243 John says there may be somebody else named in the indictment. 322 00:14:06,243 --> 00:14:09,535 Jessie-- Jessie, is someone other than Jerry Sandusky 323 00:14:09,535 --> 00:14:12,243 named in the indictment? Jessie? 324 00:14:12,243 --> 00:14:14,660 Hey, it's Charlie Thompson at The Patriot-News, for Bill. 325 00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:16,326 No, I can wait. 326 00:14:16,326 --> 00:14:17,743 Newhouse: Somebody needs to call Graham Spanier! 327 00:14:17,743 --> 00:14:19,118 I'll do it. 328 00:14:19,118 --> 00:14:20,285 What'd he say about your first article? 329 00:14:20,285 --> 00:14:21,909 Nothing. Him and everybody else. 330 00:14:21,909 --> 00:14:23,909 Six months went by. It was like I wrote about a yard sale. 331 00:14:23,909 --> 00:14:25,868 Ask Spanier if he thinks he's gonna get fired. 332 00:14:25,868 --> 00:14:28,243 They're not gonna fire the president of Penn State. 333 00:14:28,243 --> 00:14:30,743 Jerry hasn't worked there in a decade. 334 00:14:30,743 --> 00:14:33,118 Thompson: Bill, when are we gonna see this grand jury presentment? 335 00:14:33,118 --> 00:14:35,743 You're either charging the guy or you're not. 336 00:14:35,743 --> 00:14:37,159 Newhouse: Sara... 337 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,118 it's up. 338 00:14:44,243 --> 00:14:45,993 ( typing ) 339 00:14:56,618 --> 00:14:58,285 Woman: Aaron... 340 00:14:58,285 --> 00:15:00,118 I don't want you to read it. 341 00:15:00,118 --> 00:15:01,577 Aaron. 342 00:15:01,577 --> 00:15:03,410 Everything's on there. 343 00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:04,951 It's not gonna change anything-- 344 00:15:04,951 --> 00:15:08,118 You said I didn't have to tell you. 345 00:15:08,118 --> 00:15:10,076 With the grand jury and the cops... 346 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:12,660 It's on the computer, Aaron. 347 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:15,785 Your mother can't be the only person in the country not to read it. 348 00:15:22,868 --> 00:15:27,993 Newhouse: Looks like Victim One was 11 when it started. 349 00:15:27,993 --> 00:15:32,201 Sandusky performed oral sex on him more than 20 times. 350 00:15:32,201 --> 00:15:36,993 Sandusky also had Victim One perform oral sex on him one time. 351 00:15:36,993 --> 00:15:40,535 Jesus-- uh, touched Victim One's penis with his hands. 352 00:15:40,535 --> 00:15:43,201 Victim One did not want to engage in sexual conduct 353 00:15:43,201 --> 00:15:45,243 with Sandusky, knew it was wrong. 354 00:15:45,243 --> 00:15:46,868 And Victim Two? 355 00:15:46,868 --> 00:15:50,951 ( sighs ) Uh... ten years old. 356 00:15:50,951 --> 00:15:53,201 Anal intercourse. 357 00:15:53,201 --> 00:15:55,076 - ( cell phone ringing ) - Shit. 358 00:15:57,827 --> 00:16:00,702 - Hello? Dawn? - Woman ( over phone): Hi. 359 00:16:02,993 --> 00:16:04,868 Ganim: I'm gonna be in your area 360 00:16:04,868 --> 00:16:06,201 in a couple hours. 361 00:16:06,201 --> 00:16:07,201 Should I stop by? 362 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:09,993 ( crying ) 363 00:16:09,993 --> 00:16:11,785 I don't know. 364 00:16:11,785 --> 00:16:13,410 Okay, well, how about I head that way, 365 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:15,034 and then if it doesn't feel right, you can just-- 366 00:16:15,034 --> 00:16:16,951 you can send me back. 367 00:16:16,951 --> 00:16:18,868 ( sniffling ) 368 00:16:20,702 --> 00:16:22,243 Dawn? 369 00:16:27,201 --> 00:16:28,076 Dawn? 370 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:35,660 Victim One's mom. 371 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:37,076 Call me from the car. 372 00:16:37,076 --> 00:16:38,410 We'll finish the piece while you drive. 373 00:16:40,285 --> 00:16:41,868 Ganim: The indictment alleges 374 00:16:41,868 --> 00:16:43,702 that former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky 375 00:16:43,702 --> 00:16:47,243 used The Second Mile, the charity he founded in 1977, 376 00:16:47,243 --> 00:16:49,493 - to get access to and molest boys... - Okay. 377 00:16:49,493 --> 00:16:52,577 many of whom were vulnerable due to their social situations. 378 00:16:52,577 --> 00:16:53,951 Newhouse: That's great. 379 00:16:53,951 --> 00:16:55,118 Ganim: Many of the alleged incidents 380 00:16:55,118 --> 00:16:56,743 happened in the Lasch building, 381 00:16:56,743 --> 00:16:58,993 the football building on Penn State campus. 382 00:16:58,993 --> 00:17:01,909 Man: With football season well underway now, 383 00:17:01,909 --> 00:17:04,577 for many fans, it doesn't get any bigger than Penn State. 384 00:17:04,577 --> 00:17:08,909 But the case against one of that team's long-time coaches is unfolding, and quickly. 385 00:17:08,909 --> 00:17:12,493 Charged with abusing several boys at a program he'd started, 386 00:17:12,493 --> 00:17:14,951 former coach Jerry Sandusky, once heir apparent 387 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:16,618 to the legendary Joe Paterno, 388 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,410 is charged with sexually abusing eight boys. 389 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:21,660 And now two high-ranking university officials, 390 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:23,993 the athletic director and a vice president, 391 00:17:23,993 --> 00:17:27,159 face charges in court, accused of looking the other way 392 00:17:27,159 --> 00:17:29,618 after several mothers came forward. 393 00:17:29,618 --> 00:17:31,410 One mother told reporter Sara Ganim 394 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:33,243 she feels betrayed by Penn State, 395 00:17:33,243 --> 00:17:36,909 as details emerge of what she sees as a cover-up, 396 00:17:36,909 --> 00:17:39,951 saying one of her sons complained about Sandusky, 397 00:17:39,951 --> 00:17:41,326 but no one listened. 398 00:17:42,868 --> 00:17:45,577 "Penn State forever, molder of men"-- 399 00:17:45,577 --> 00:17:47,951 well, where is that integrity now? 400 00:17:47,951 --> 00:17:49,618 Woman: If these allegations are true, 401 00:17:49,618 --> 00:17:51,076 then this goes to the very top 402 00:17:51,076 --> 00:17:53,118 of the athletic department at Penn State, 403 00:17:53,118 --> 00:17:55,326 and one would have to think that there 404 00:17:55,326 --> 00:17:57,618 would have to be some kind of housecleaning. 405 00:17:58,785 --> 00:18:01,702 ( indistinct conversation ) 406 00:18:01,702 --> 00:18:05,577 ( game playing on TV ) 407 00:18:05,577 --> 00:18:08,285 Announcer: They do go conservative-- is he gonna make it pay off? 408 00:18:08,285 --> 00:18:11,993 I can't-- I can't believe it, ya know? And then on top of it, 409 00:18:11,993 --> 00:18:14,743 they-- they indicted Tim and Gary too. 410 00:18:14,743 --> 00:18:16,076 - For what? - For what. 411 00:18:16,076 --> 00:18:18,368 For perjury, for lying to the grand jury. 412 00:18:18,368 --> 00:18:20,326 For failing to protect children. 413 00:18:20,326 --> 00:18:22,702 They testified in front of the grand jury just like you did, Dad. 414 00:18:22,702 --> 00:18:24,326 Scott: You read it, right? 415 00:18:24,326 --> 00:18:25,951 You read the grand jury presentment? 416 00:18:25,951 --> 00:18:29,034 No. They indict me? 417 00:18:30,993 --> 00:18:32,285 No. 418 00:18:32,285 --> 00:18:33,535 So? 419 00:18:33,535 --> 00:18:36,243 Wait, are you-- ( scoffs ) Okay. 420 00:18:36,243 --> 00:18:39,285 I am going to print this thing out so you will read it. 421 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:43,118 I got Nebraska a week from today. 422 00:18:43,118 --> 00:18:46,868 They're seven-and-one, just so you know. 423 00:18:46,868 --> 00:18:49,368 ( doorbell rings ) 424 00:18:49,368 --> 00:18:50,909 Spanier. 425 00:18:50,909 --> 00:18:53,159 Ohh. Put me in the ground. 426 00:18:55,034 --> 00:18:56,034 Scott: Hey. 427 00:18:56,034 --> 00:18:57,909 Hey, Scott. 428 00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:59,451 Got something I want to run by your dad. 429 00:18:59,451 --> 00:19:01,868 Yeah, come on in. He's watching Nebraska. 430 00:19:03,493 --> 00:19:04,702 How do they look? 431 00:19:04,702 --> 00:19:05,702 Paterno: Good is how they look. 432 00:19:07,326 --> 00:19:08,618 Northwestern's up by four, 433 00:19:08,618 --> 00:19:10,577 but they're not gonna hold it. 434 00:19:10,577 --> 00:19:12,577 ( sighs ) 435 00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:17,368 All right. 436 00:19:17,368 --> 00:19:20,285 "The allegations about a former coach are troubling, 437 00:19:20,285 --> 00:19:23,118 and it is appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly. 438 00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:25,451 With regard to the other indictments, 439 00:19:25,451 --> 00:19:27,785 I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz 440 00:19:27,785 --> 00:19:29,827 have my unconditional support. 441 00:19:29,827 --> 00:19:31,577 I have complete confidence in how they have handled 442 00:19:31,577 --> 00:19:35,410 the allegations about a former university employee. 443 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:39,909 I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless, 444 00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:43,702 and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately." 445 00:19:43,702 --> 00:19:47,909 Why do you say that... about Gary and Tim? 446 00:19:49,243 --> 00:19:50,493 'Cause it's true. 447 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:52,702 Grand jury doesn't think so. 448 00:19:52,702 --> 00:19:54,410 You think that's right? 449 00:19:54,410 --> 00:19:56,410 Well, what do I know? 450 00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:57,660 But I wouldn't go stand 451 00:19:57,660 --> 00:20:00,159 in front of the bull waving a flag. 452 00:20:00,159 --> 00:20:04,660 This school should look like we give a hoot, you know? 453 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:06,368 We want everything run down 454 00:20:06,368 --> 00:20:08,493 until we know what actually happened. 455 00:20:08,493 --> 00:20:10,909 That's a huge slap in the face to Gary and Tim. 456 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:13,577 They were... protecting the school. 457 00:20:13,577 --> 00:20:14,951 Do what you want. 458 00:20:14,951 --> 00:20:17,493 You're asking me, I'm sayin'. 459 00:20:17,493 --> 00:20:19,034 I think it's a stupid thing to say. 460 00:20:19,034 --> 00:20:22,451 Well, I'll look at it again. 461 00:20:24,993 --> 00:20:28,201 OK. You need anything, give me a call. 462 00:20:28,201 --> 00:20:30,076 ( door opens, closes ) 463 00:20:30,076 --> 00:20:31,493 Hey. 464 00:20:31,493 --> 00:20:33,577 - Paterno: Yeah? - Spanier: Hey, Jay. 465 00:20:33,577 --> 00:20:34,993 We're just bending your dad's ear. 466 00:20:34,993 --> 00:20:37,577 Latet anguis in herba. 467 00:20:37,577 --> 00:20:39,285 What does that mean? 468 00:20:39,285 --> 00:20:41,243 It's Virgil. It means you're gonna be fine. 469 00:20:41,243 --> 00:20:44,868 Northwestern's up by four. 470 00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:46,451 - That's not gonna last. - Yeah. 471 00:20:46,451 --> 00:20:48,326 Thanks for stopping by, Graham. 472 00:20:48,326 --> 00:20:49,285 Spanier: See you soon. 473 00:20:51,118 --> 00:20:52,868 Oh boy. 474 00:20:53,993 --> 00:20:55,076 What was that? 475 00:20:55,076 --> 00:20:57,493 Box of rocks. 476 00:20:57,493 --> 00:20:59,493 He wants to be everybody's friend. 477 00:20:59,493 --> 00:21:01,451 He's gonna get himself fired. Watch. 478 00:21:01,451 --> 00:21:03,702 Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. 479 00:21:03,702 --> 00:21:06,909 There's peppers and provolone on the stove. Heat it up. 480 00:21:06,909 --> 00:21:10,159 - Yeah, I talked to Guido. - Yeah. 481 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:13,743 He thinks this is gonna be more than just a sports story. 482 00:21:13,743 --> 00:21:16,034 Scott: You think? Did you read it? 483 00:21:16,034 --> 00:21:17,660 The presentment? No. I just got here. 484 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:18,827 Yeah. What's the hurry? 485 00:21:18,827 --> 00:21:20,285 The guy only fucked eight children. 486 00:21:20,285 --> 00:21:22,034 - Whoa, what is with the talk? - Hey, hey. 487 00:21:22,034 --> 00:21:24,993 Just somebody other than me has to read this thing. 488 00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:27,743 ( Scott, Jay shouting ) 489 00:21:27,743 --> 00:21:30,743 Can you take this someplace else, guys?! 490 00:21:30,743 --> 00:21:34,076 I'm trying to work here. Anybody care? 491 00:21:34,076 --> 00:21:37,159 You got your own homes now, ya know. 492 00:21:37,159 --> 00:21:40,868 Man: Well, what goes on in major college sports programs 493 00:21:40,868 --> 00:21:42,618 are they become little fiefdoms, 494 00:21:42,618 --> 00:21:44,702 and the college coach becomes all-powerful, 495 00:21:44,702 --> 00:21:47,951 and Joe Paterno is like a god on that campus. 496 00:21:47,951 --> 00:21:50,785 Man #2: He's the leader. I understand there's a university president, 497 00:21:50,785 --> 00:21:54,368 there's a athletic director, but we know who's running Penn State. 498 00:21:54,368 --> 00:21:55,535 It's JoePa. 499 00:21:55,535 --> 00:21:57,285 Phone: Mailbox. One. 500 00:21:57,285 --> 00:21:59,493 You have one new message. 501 00:21:59,493 --> 00:22:03,827 Sara, it's Dawn. Can we... I'm--I'm sorry. 502 00:22:03,827 --> 00:22:05,743 Let's do this tomorrow. 503 00:22:05,743 --> 00:22:10,951 We're pretty wrung out over here. Aaron's, um... 504 00:22:10,951 --> 00:22:15,410 Why don't you come by in the morning. Okay? Thanks. 505 00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:17,410 ( "Scarlet Begonias" by Grateful Dead playing ) 506 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:23,909 - Where's Juliet? - Food? 507 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:25,909 Hey! Did you just get here? 508 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:26,909 Yeah. 509 00:22:26,909 --> 00:22:29,368 Liam, Mindy. Sara. She graduated. 510 00:22:29,368 --> 00:22:32,118 - She's gonna crash here a few nights. - What up? 511 00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:33,410 She's the one that got Sandusky arrested. 512 00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:34,993 You did? 513 00:22:34,993 --> 00:22:36,951 No. No, no. I-- I didn't. 514 00:22:36,951 --> 00:22:39,201 He's fucking disgusting. It's sick. 515 00:22:39,201 --> 00:22:43,243 Wait, she's, um, she's the cub reporter, right? 516 00:22:43,243 --> 00:22:44,785 Does anybody call you Cubby? 517 00:22:44,785 --> 00:22:47,034 Uh, no. 518 00:22:53,076 --> 00:22:57,451 Man: For 67-year-old Jerry Sandusky, a jubilant career at Penn State 519 00:22:57,451 --> 00:23:00,660 has dwindled to a perp walk and prosecution. 520 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:02,785 A Penn State graduate team assistant 521 00:23:02,785 --> 00:23:06,451 allegedly witnessed a 2002 rape by Sandusky, 522 00:23:06,451 --> 00:23:09,410 involving a ten-year-old boy in a shower 523 00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:11,285 at Penn State's football facility. 524 00:23:11,285 --> 00:23:13,451 The assistant told Coach Paterno about it, 525 00:23:13,451 --> 00:23:17,285 and Paterno is said to have told Athletic director Tim Curley, 526 00:23:17,285 --> 00:23:20,618 and university official Gary Schultz. 527 00:23:20,618 --> 00:23:21,993 ( knocking on door ) 528 00:23:25,951 --> 00:23:27,493 Hi, I'm Sara Ganim, 529 00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:29,034 and I work with the Harrisburg Patriot-News. 530 00:23:29,034 --> 00:23:30,785 I was wondering if I'd be able to ask-- 531 00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:33,034 No. I'm not talking to anybody. Thank you. 532 00:23:33,034 --> 00:23:34,493 You're Gary Schultz' assistant. 533 00:23:34,493 --> 00:23:36,993 - Right? - Get off the property! 534 00:23:36,993 --> 00:23:39,285 - OK. I just wanted to-- - Get off the property! 535 00:23:39,285 --> 00:23:41,618 - Okay, I'm getting off. - Not fast enough! 536 00:23:41,618 --> 00:23:43,743 OK! Fuck. 537 00:23:43,743 --> 00:23:45,618 - Ganim: Hello? - Newhouse: Hey. So, uh, 538 00:23:45,618 --> 00:23:47,827 after two days of complete and utter silence, 539 00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:50,493 the national news finally noticed we published a story. 540 00:23:50,493 --> 00:23:51,993 You got time to talk to CNN? 541 00:23:51,993 --> 00:23:53,702 Yeah, I just need a minute. 542 00:23:53,702 --> 00:23:56,201 I've got somebody who's really... excited. 543 00:23:56,201 --> 00:24:00,243 Man: How dare you to disturb my wife like that! 544 00:24:00,243 --> 00:24:02,577 Woman: The Pennsylvania attorney general 545 00:24:02,577 --> 00:24:04,368 says that coach Paterno 546 00:24:04,368 --> 00:24:07,076 is facing no criminal charges because he followed the law 547 00:24:07,076 --> 00:24:10,493 by quickly telling what he knew to his superiors. 548 00:24:10,493 --> 00:24:14,868 What she didn't say was if he had a moral obligation to do more. 549 00:24:14,868 --> 00:24:17,243 Scott: Steve Garban's pretending he's not home. 550 00:24:17,243 --> 00:24:20,868 Mary: No one from the board of trustees will answer our call. 551 00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:22,535 Guido: Mother of Christ. 552 00:24:22,535 --> 00:24:23,702 Put out a damn statement 553 00:24:23,702 --> 00:24:25,368 so we can be through with this already. 554 00:24:25,368 --> 00:24:26,702 We should have done it six months ago 555 00:24:26,702 --> 00:24:28,201 when it first came out in the paper. 556 00:24:28,201 --> 00:24:29,951 People need to hear from you. 557 00:24:29,951 --> 00:24:32,034 This is not a smart move, Guido. 558 00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:35,159 - I'm not a judge, but... - OK. 559 00:24:35,159 --> 00:24:37,909 It's-- there's a legal process happening here. 560 00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:40,368 OK. All right. A legal process happening here. 561 00:24:40,368 --> 00:24:42,827 - So... - 'K. Legal process. 562 00:24:43,993 --> 00:24:45,410 ( sighs deeply ) 563 00:24:50,243 --> 00:24:51,702 Oh, my God... 564 00:24:51,702 --> 00:24:54,326 Oh-- ( gagging ) 565 00:24:56,076 --> 00:24:56,909 Ma? 566 00:24:58,368 --> 00:25:00,660 Mary: Mommy? 567 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:01,577 What's wrong? 568 00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:07,410 ( retching ) 569 00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:10,076 - Mary: Mommy? - It's shocking, if it's true... 570 00:25:10,076 --> 00:25:12,909 - You OK? - We're deeply saddened... 571 00:25:12,909 --> 00:25:16,743 When I heard what I heard, I reported it right way... 572 00:25:16,743 --> 00:25:18,618 - To? - Uh... 573 00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:19,909 Tim and Gary. 574 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:21,618 He did what he was supposed to do. 575 00:25:21,618 --> 00:25:23,743 - Right. In 2001. - What? 576 00:25:23,743 --> 00:25:27,410 2001? Yeah. ( stammers ) I told the Grand Jury. 577 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:30,034 Right, and you should say what McQueary told you, right? 578 00:25:30,034 --> 00:25:32,909 Guido: "An assistant coach informed me that--" 579 00:25:32,909 --> 00:25:36,034 An assistant coach informed me what? 580 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:39,285 McQueary couldn't put his-- a sentence together. 581 00:25:39,285 --> 00:25:42,243 He couldn't catch his breath. He was all over the place. 582 00:25:42,243 --> 00:25:46,451 So, he told you that they were having sex? 583 00:25:46,451 --> 00:25:47,785 No, he didn't-- 584 00:25:47,785 --> 00:25:49,827 He didn't know what he saw. Come on. 585 00:25:49,827 --> 00:25:51,951 They were touching maybe. Who knows? 586 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,577 All I know is what he saw upset him. 587 00:25:54,577 --> 00:25:55,868 That's-- That's-- That's-- 588 00:25:55,868 --> 00:25:58,951 He -- He was-- He was, uh, rattled. 589 00:25:58,951 --> 00:26:00,577 Ya know? Something happened. 590 00:26:00,577 --> 00:26:03,827 But, so why does the presentment say anal rape? 591 00:26:03,827 --> 00:26:06,410 - It says that? - Guido: Didn't you read it? 592 00:26:06,410 --> 00:26:09,118 - It says anal sex. - Oh, well, you're the lawyer. 593 00:26:09,118 --> 00:26:12,577 Mary: There's no such thing as consensual anal with a ten-year old.... 594 00:26:14,285 --> 00:26:18,034 ( no audible dialogue ) 595 00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:21,909 He was distraught! He was, he was-- He didn't make sense! 596 00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:25,951 It was clear whatever he was talking about was inappropriate. 597 00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,159 I-- I got that. 598 00:26:27,159 --> 00:26:31,827 So, I called Tim, and I called, uh, Gary. 599 00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:35,034 And, uh, and, uh-- and if it's true, 600 00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:38,868 I get everybody's upset. We're upset. 601 00:26:38,868 --> 00:26:41,493 But meanwhile, you gotta-- you gotta let, 602 00:26:41,493 --> 00:26:44,076 uh, legal process unfold-- 603 00:26:44,076 --> 00:26:46,410 Scott: Dad, did you know 604 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:50,118 anything else about, uh, Jerry? 605 00:26:50,118 --> 00:26:52,326 What do you mean? Why are you saying that? 606 00:26:52,326 --> 00:26:54,827 - I just told you. - I don't know, but-- 607 00:26:54,827 --> 00:26:57,076 - What about Jerry? - When you read it, you can see 608 00:26:57,076 --> 00:26:58,827 the guy had a clear problem. Ya know? Maybe-- 609 00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:00,368 I didn't read the thing. 610 00:27:00,368 --> 00:27:03,034 You told me about the thing... Scott, 611 00:27:03,034 --> 00:27:04,535 and then you told me again. 612 00:27:04,535 --> 00:27:06,660 - I know. I'm just saying-- - So I know. 613 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,368 So, you're badgering me. 614 00:27:08,368 --> 00:27:09,868 You're badgering me, I don't like it. 615 00:27:09,868 --> 00:27:11,451 I got a game to prepare for. 616 00:27:11,451 --> 00:27:14,076 That's what's important to me now, Scott. 617 00:27:14,076 --> 00:27:15,410 Whatever these things are-- 618 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:18,034 People think that you knew about all of it. 619 00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:21,285 - But I don't care what people think! - 2001. 1998. 620 00:27:21,285 --> 00:27:23,410 "Well, JoePa runs the school. How could he not know?" 621 00:27:23,410 --> 00:27:25,577 Well, I didn't know. I don't know what they're talking about. 622 00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:27,868 I didn't know-- What-- What am I, omniscient here? 623 00:27:27,868 --> 00:27:29,993 Well, yeah, that's what they think you are, 624 00:27:29,993 --> 00:27:31,785 - and they're writing stories. - Scott: What about rumors? 625 00:27:31,785 --> 00:27:33,535 "There's something funny about this Jerry guy." 626 00:27:33,535 --> 00:27:34,702 Nothing like that? 627 00:27:34,702 --> 00:27:36,076 What happened to you? 628 00:27:36,076 --> 00:27:38,535 You're telling me about a rumor? 629 00:27:38,535 --> 00:27:39,827 A rumor? 630 00:27:39,827 --> 00:27:41,034 What's that? 631 00:27:41,034 --> 00:27:42,951 Is that why I sent you to law school? 632 00:27:42,951 --> 00:27:45,410 Gossip like that, what it does to people? 633 00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:49,076 You have any idea-- What about your Uncle George? 634 00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:51,827 Huh? How come he wasn't married. 635 00:27:51,827 --> 00:27:54,451 Everybody said, "Something's wrong with him. 636 00:27:54,451 --> 00:27:56,785 Whatever this is, I don't understand it. 637 00:27:58,827 --> 00:28:00,577 It's garbage! 638 00:28:00,577 --> 00:28:03,285 Jerry Sandusky. What is he? 639 00:28:03,285 --> 00:28:08,451 I thought he was-- he was unfocused and such a pain in the butt, 640 00:28:08,451 --> 00:28:12,243 but yes, uh, kids were-- 641 00:28:12,243 --> 00:28:14,577 he had kids around all the time. 642 00:28:14,577 --> 00:28:18,410 These were hopeless, helpless, lost causes. 643 00:28:18,410 --> 00:28:21,285 He started the biggest charity in the history of this state. 644 00:28:21,285 --> 00:28:25,159 Every heavy hitter, every high roller donating every week, 645 00:28:25,159 --> 00:28:27,951 checks coming in by the dozens. 646 00:28:27,951 --> 00:28:29,785 I never saw anything like it. 647 00:28:29,785 --> 00:28:33,951 He's honored by the president of the United States. 648 00:28:37,785 --> 00:28:39,285 I got a statement. 649 00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:47,702 Sue and I... have devoted our whole lives to helping young people. 650 00:28:47,702 --> 00:28:51,618 The fact that someone we thought we knew 651 00:28:51,618 --> 00:28:54,785 might have harmed young people like this, 652 00:28:54,785 --> 00:28:57,868 if it's true... 653 00:28:57,868 --> 00:29:02,993 well, we were fooled... along with a whole bunch of professionals 654 00:29:02,993 --> 00:29:06,159 who are trained in this kind of thing. 655 00:29:07,993 --> 00:29:09,368 And we're sorry. 656 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:15,618 We are grieving... 657 00:29:15,618 --> 00:29:17,368 for all of them. 658 00:29:19,159 --> 00:29:21,201 ( sighs ) 659 00:29:21,201 --> 00:29:24,368 We'll release that. 660 00:29:24,368 --> 00:29:26,285 That's the end of it. 661 00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:27,868 I have practice. 662 00:29:29,451 --> 00:29:31,118 ( sighs ) 663 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:49,201 ( crowd cheering ) 664 00:29:55,118 --> 00:29:56,577 Man: Here to say a few words 665 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:59,243 about our guest of honor Jerry Sandusky 666 00:29:59,243 --> 00:30:00,827 is his long-time colleague, 667 00:30:00,827 --> 00:30:03,410 mentor and friend of over 30 years, 668 00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:08,743 head coach of Penn State Nittany Lions, Joe Paterno. 669 00:30:08,743 --> 00:30:11,493 ( applause ) 670 00:30:13,326 --> 00:30:14,868 Paterno: Jerry and Dottie, 671 00:30:14,868 --> 00:30:17,535 they always had kids, they adopted kids, 672 00:30:17,535 --> 00:30:19,076 they-- they fostered children-- 673 00:30:19,076 --> 00:30:21,326 all the time, everywhere I look, 674 00:30:21,326 --> 00:30:23,285 there was kids, kids-- kids kept appearing. 675 00:30:23,285 --> 00:30:25,201 I didn't know what was goin' on. 676 00:30:25,201 --> 00:30:26,702 I said, "What are they doing?" 677 00:30:26,702 --> 00:30:29,410 I mean, I thought they were their kids, right? 678 00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:31,909 Little did I know, it turns out, 679 00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:35,201 Uh, Jerry started this, uh, charity. 680 00:30:37,868 --> 00:30:42,076 This wonderful thing, ya know? All these kids, uh-- 681 00:30:42,076 --> 00:30:47,201 I had no idea. I had no idea... ( trailing off ) 682 00:30:47,201 --> 00:30:49,410 I had no idea. 683 00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:53,909 All these kids, all these kids, all these kids... 684 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:55,743 Hundreds, hundreds of children. 685 00:30:55,743 --> 00:30:58,493 -Thousands. - Thousands! 686 00:30:58,493 --> 00:31:00,368 Thousands! Thousands! 687 00:31:00,368 --> 00:31:03,159 - ( laughing ) - That's awesome. 688 00:31:03,159 --> 00:31:05,451 ( applause ) 689 00:31:17,285 --> 00:31:21,451 Coach: OK, so we'll start with Matt. He's working out a little bit. 690 00:31:21,451 --> 00:31:23,577 Coach 2: Watch his knee. 691 00:31:23,577 --> 00:31:24,785 You've gotta be kiddin' me. 692 00:31:24,785 --> 00:31:26,285 These guys are fucking animals. 693 00:31:26,285 --> 00:31:27,785 Coach 2: All right, come on, guys. 694 00:31:27,785 --> 00:31:29,785 Closed practice. Let's go outside, come on! 695 00:31:29,785 --> 00:31:32,743 JoePa's gonna give his regularly scheduled press conference tomorrow. 696 00:31:32,743 --> 00:31:34,368 Is this where the locker room was where the indicents took place? 697 00:31:34,368 --> 00:31:36,159 Could we just get a couple shots-- 698 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:37,909 Good day to you, sir. All right, come on. 699 00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:39,618 Outside. Outside, please. 700 00:31:39,618 --> 00:31:42,076 Tom, could we get a lockdown on the last building, please? 701 00:31:44,326 --> 00:31:47,285 Man: I have no idea why Mike McQueary is still on this staff. 702 00:31:47,285 --> 00:31:49,493 He was a 28-year-old man, 703 00:31:49,493 --> 00:31:53,827 and he saw an older man commit a sexual act against a ten-year-old, 704 00:31:53,827 --> 00:31:55,368 and did nothing about it. 705 00:31:55,368 --> 00:31:56,785 He walked away, and went home, 706 00:31:56,785 --> 00:31:58,493 and talked to his dad about it. 707 00:31:58,493 --> 00:32:00,868 And then decided to see Joe Paterno the next day. 708 00:32:00,868 --> 00:32:03,702 - ( blows whistle ) - All right, guys, let's go! Ladder! 709 00:32:20,618 --> 00:32:22,410 - Man: Sara? - Shh! 710 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:24,159 ( whispering ) Are you Sara Ganim? 711 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:27,326 I'm Hugh Lewison, with NBC. Do you have a second? 712 00:32:27,326 --> 00:32:29,827 ( whispering ) Oh, uh, I don't. I'm sorry. 713 00:32:29,827 --> 00:32:32,410 I got, I got-- I got, uh, places to go. 714 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:34,577 Just two seconds. I just need a couple of phone numbers. 715 00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:35,993 - Do you mind? - Oh, yeah, no. 716 00:32:35,993 --> 00:32:37,285 I have a piece that's got to run 717 00:32:37,285 --> 00:32:39,118 in, like, ten minutes, 718 00:32:39,118 --> 00:32:40,868 so I got to get to my interview. 719 00:32:40,868 --> 00:32:42,827 Who are you interviewing? 720 00:32:42,827 --> 00:32:45,326 Um, I'm sorry. 721 00:32:45,326 --> 00:32:47,326 Look, I just drove four hours to find you. 722 00:32:47,326 --> 00:32:50,577 You're the only goddamn person who's followed this thing. 723 00:32:50,577 --> 00:32:53,076 Can you tell me why I can't find a police report from when 724 00:32:53,076 --> 00:32:56,451 McQueary reported Sandusky in the shower with the kid in 2001? 725 00:32:56,451 --> 00:32:58,868 I know, it's a real head-scratcher. 726 00:32:58,868 --> 00:33:01,118 Do you have it? You don't have to show it to me. 727 00:33:01,118 --> 00:33:02,159 Just tell me if you've seen it. 728 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:03,326 Read the article I wrote. 729 00:33:03,326 --> 00:33:04,909 There's no police report from 2001. 730 00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:07,743 Man: But the indictment says there was an investigation. 731 00:33:07,743 --> 00:33:09,076 ( cell phone ringing ) 732 00:33:09,076 --> 00:33:13,118 No? Can you just nod or shake your head? 733 00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:15,660 I'm being followed by this guy from NBC. 734 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,326 40 news organizations want to interview you. 735 00:33:18,326 --> 00:33:20,785 - He's still following me. - Where are you going? 736 00:33:20,785 --> 00:33:22,410 To interview the mom. 737 00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:24,618 You better lose him. Keep him away from the mom. 738 00:33:24,618 --> 00:33:27,034 This is not Starksy and Hutch, David. 739 00:33:27,034 --> 00:33:28,743 Go away! 740 00:33:34,577 --> 00:33:35,410 Thank you. 741 00:33:41,076 --> 00:33:42,577 - Woman: Gary? - Oh, hey. 742 00:33:42,577 --> 00:33:44,618 - Are you OK? - Yeah. Fine. 743 00:33:44,618 --> 00:33:46,410 They're, uh, gonna bring me in today, 744 00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:47,618 but I don't think they're gonna keep me. 745 00:33:47,618 --> 00:33:48,868 To jail? 746 00:33:48,868 --> 00:33:50,868 Oh, God, Gar. 747 00:33:50,868 --> 00:33:54,118 - Everything's gonna be fine, Kim. - ( sighs ) 748 00:33:54,118 --> 00:33:57,034 Hey, uh, listen, Kim. Could you do me a favor? 749 00:33:57,034 --> 00:33:58,243 Anything. 750 00:33:58,243 --> 00:33:59,785 Go into my office... 751 00:33:59,785 --> 00:34:00,618 OK. 752 00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:02,951 ...to the desk. 753 00:34:02,951 --> 00:34:04,201 Yeah? 754 00:34:04,201 --> 00:34:05,827 Unlock the bottom drawer. 755 00:34:08,076 --> 00:34:09,201 Mm-hmm? 756 00:34:09,201 --> 00:34:11,118 You see the transition file? 757 00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:12,868 Yep. 758 00:34:12,868 --> 00:34:15,118 Yeah, could you bring that to the house? 759 00:34:15,118 --> 00:34:18,493 Of course. Anything else? You want some food? 760 00:34:18,493 --> 00:34:20,201 No, no, no, no, no. I'm good. 761 00:34:20,201 --> 00:34:24,410 Okay, Gar. Call me if there's anything at all. 762 00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:26,076 Yeah, yeah. Will do. Bye. 763 00:34:29,785 --> 00:34:30,743 ( phone beeps ) 764 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:40,159 ( players shouting ) 765 00:34:41,951 --> 00:34:43,159 ( whistle blows ) 766 00:34:45,868 --> 00:34:49,702 No, no, no! Don't hit yourself. Hit him! 767 00:34:54,993 --> 00:34:55,993 Player: Set! 768 00:34:58,368 --> 00:35:01,493 - They're gonna move us. - Ganim: How come? 769 00:35:01,493 --> 00:35:02,993 Dawn: It's not safe. 770 00:35:02,993 --> 00:35:05,451 Since it came out, people know who he is. 771 00:35:11,535 --> 00:35:13,201 Uh, you don't have to, uh-- 772 00:35:13,201 --> 00:35:14,785 Aaron sleeps on the couch every night. 773 00:35:14,785 --> 00:35:17,827 Can't sleep in a bed since Jerry's-- 774 00:35:19,743 --> 00:35:22,076 Dawn: I don't know what you need to ask anymore 775 00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:25,493 It's all on the thing online. 776 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:30,201 He didn't want me to read it, but... 777 00:35:36,326 --> 00:35:38,868 Ganim: Was there anything that surprised you? 778 00:35:38,868 --> 00:35:41,034 I-- I didn't want her to know the parts with, like-- 779 00:35:41,034 --> 00:35:43,743 I was never in the room when he told the whole thing. 780 00:35:43,743 --> 00:35:45,493 Not even at the grand juries. 781 00:35:45,493 --> 00:35:47,660 I wanted to. 782 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:52,410 I mean... it was so hard for him. 783 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,034 He fainted, threw up-- 784 00:35:54,034 --> 00:35:55,034 Mom. 785 00:35:55,034 --> 00:35:57,535 He says testifying was-- 786 00:35:57,535 --> 00:35:58,743 Can I say? 787 00:36:01,535 --> 00:36:03,201 He says the grand jury testimonies 788 00:36:03,201 --> 00:36:07,410 were the worst things he's ever had to do in his life. 789 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:08,285 Other than... 790 00:36:18,702 --> 00:36:20,326 I am sorry you have to talk about this again-- 791 00:36:20,326 --> 00:36:21,909 It's bullshit, okay? 792 00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:26,702 Jerry's already out. 793 00:36:26,702 --> 00:36:29,993 The judge was a volunteer at the Second Mile. Sent him home. 794 00:36:29,993 --> 00:36:31,118 Unsecured bail. 795 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:37,034 It's been three years. 796 00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:38,827 From the first day, it's the same thing-- 797 00:36:38,827 --> 00:36:41,285 - ( phone ringing ) - Shit. I'm sorry. 798 00:36:41,285 --> 00:36:45,285 Let me just try and silence this thing. 799 00:36:45,285 --> 00:36:48,702 Um, what were you saying? The, uh, first three-- 800 00:36:48,702 --> 00:36:49,951 It's been three years? 801 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,951 We reported it at the school as soon as he said somethin'. 802 00:36:57,951 --> 00:37:01,618 We went to the principal, Karen Probst. 803 00:37:01,618 --> 00:37:04,827 Write her name down. Fucking bitch. 804 00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:09,618 You know what she said? She told me, when I said, 805 00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:12,785 "Call the police, that man touched my kid," 806 00:37:12,785 --> 00:37:16,034 she said, "I think you should go home and sleep on it, 807 00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:19,702 because I'm not sure this is something you wanna do. 808 00:37:19,702 --> 00:37:22,660 You're very emotional." 809 00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:25,702 She put in a cover-your-ass call 810 00:37:25,702 --> 00:37:28,993 to Child Services once we were already there. 811 00:37:28,993 --> 00:37:30,660 If we hadn't raised hell, 812 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:33,493 she would have pretended the whole thing never happened. 813 00:37:33,493 --> 00:37:37,660 Oh, that Jerry-- he's got a heart of gold. 814 00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:41,034 Everybody loves him. 815 00:37:41,034 --> 00:37:43,368 He's not going to jail. 816 00:37:43,368 --> 00:37:45,285 I'm just gonna be another kid on the front page 817 00:37:45,285 --> 00:37:47,993 in the newspaper with a big "liar" stamped across his head. 818 00:37:47,993 --> 00:37:51,660 Ganim: Look, I don't know how this case is gonna turn out, 819 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,868 but I can tell you that right now people look at you 820 00:37:53,868 --> 00:37:56,243 as the first person that's had the courage to come forward 821 00:37:56,243 --> 00:37:59,868 and stand up to a really intimidating public figure. 822 00:37:59,868 --> 00:38:02,201 And because of what you did, 823 00:38:02,201 --> 00:38:04,743 now five other guys have had the courage to come forward 824 00:38:04,743 --> 00:38:06,909 and do the same thing. 825 00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:10,201 There's no grand jury investigation without you. 826 00:38:10,201 --> 00:38:12,076 You started this whole thing. 827 00:38:14,201 --> 00:38:15,577 And if you didn't say anything, 828 00:38:15,577 --> 00:38:17,201 Jerry would still be hanging out 829 00:38:17,201 --> 00:38:19,285 at Second Mile with a bunch of kids, 830 00:38:19,285 --> 00:38:20,909 trying to pick his favorite. 831 00:38:31,368 --> 00:38:34,535 Bobby, go find Kate. Go! She's at dance. 832 00:38:37,368 --> 00:38:38,577 That's Aaron's brother. 833 00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:40,243 He's ten. 834 00:38:40,243 --> 00:38:41,993 Yeah, that's how old I was when-- 835 00:38:45,034 --> 00:38:46,159 ( whistle blows ) 836 00:38:48,201 --> 00:38:50,702 ( chatter ) 837 00:38:54,076 --> 00:38:56,451 So, uh... 838 00:38:56,451 --> 00:38:59,326 just keep it to football tomorrow... 839 00:38:59,326 --> 00:39:00,827 at the press conference. 840 00:39:00,827 --> 00:39:01,743 Yeah, I know. 841 00:39:04,909 --> 00:39:06,326 Did you read it? 842 00:39:06,326 --> 00:39:08,326 No, I didn't read it yet, Jay. 843 00:39:08,326 --> 00:39:09,951 I didn't-- How am I gonna read it? 844 00:39:09,951 --> 00:39:11,243 ( scoffs ) 845 00:39:11,243 --> 00:39:12,909 After Nebraska, I haven't-- 846 00:39:12,909 --> 00:39:14,410 I haven't had the time. 847 00:39:16,076 --> 00:39:17,827 You know, Scott gets worked up. 848 00:39:17,827 --> 00:39:19,702 Your mother gets worked up. 849 00:39:19,702 --> 00:39:23,076 That's not my job. Understand? 850 00:39:23,076 --> 00:39:23,951 Or your job. 851 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,118 We don't get worked up. 852 00:39:28,118 --> 00:39:31,618 You get hysterical every time your team gets attacked, 853 00:39:31,618 --> 00:39:33,326 that's a short career. 854 00:39:37,201 --> 00:39:39,951 Man: Ya have to wonder right now where Joe Paterno's head is. 855 00:39:39,951 --> 00:39:42,785 So much is swirling around him. And, you know, 856 00:39:42,785 --> 00:39:44,368 maybe there's a little bit of a disconnect, 857 00:39:44,368 --> 00:39:46,410 maybe he doesn't fully understand 858 00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:47,951 the gravity of what's going on, you know, he's talking 859 00:39:47,951 --> 00:39:49,951 about beating Nebraska on Saturday. 860 00:39:51,076 --> 00:39:52,909 Man: Good hit, good hit. 861 00:40:15,535 --> 00:40:17,785 Reporter: Is coach Paterno under investigation as well? 862 00:40:17,785 --> 00:40:21,285 No, he's not regarded as a target at this point. 863 00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:22,618 But somebody needs to question 864 00:40:22,618 --> 00:40:25,118 what I believe is the moral requirements 865 00:40:25,118 --> 00:40:26,868 for a human being that knows 866 00:40:26,868 --> 00:40:29,535 that sexual things that are happening to a child. 867 00:40:29,535 --> 00:40:31,993 ( continues on TV): No whether you're a football coach, 868 00:40:31,993 --> 00:40:33,451 or the university president, 869 00:40:33,451 --> 00:40:36,451 or the guy sweeping out the building, 870 00:40:36,451 --> 00:40:40,660 I feel that you have a moral obligation to call us. 871 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:42,827 Woman: Commissioner, thank you so much for being here. 872 00:40:42,827 --> 00:40:45,493 I know you spent 30 years with the FBI, 873 00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:47,868 you say you have never seen anything 874 00:40:47,868 --> 00:40:51,118 like the alleged sexual abuse allegations in this case, 875 00:40:51,118 --> 00:40:56,577 and you say you want to know why the police were not called. 876 00:40:56,577 --> 00:41:00,702 I don't want to criticize Joe Paterno or anybody else. 877 00:41:00,702 --> 00:41:03,868 But any human being who has this kind of information, 878 00:41:03,868 --> 00:41:07,243 or who has knowledge of child sexual abuse, should call us-- 879 00:41:07,243 --> 00:41:09,827 - ( TV off ) - Sue: Nobody wants to ask 880 00:41:09,827 --> 00:41:11,827 why Mike McQueary didn't call the police. 881 00:41:11,827 --> 00:41:14,743 I mean, he was the one who was there. He's a grown man. 882 00:41:14,743 --> 00:41:16,577 He comes into my kitchen. 883 00:41:16,577 --> 00:41:19,118 Dad went to who he thought was the police. 884 00:41:19,118 --> 00:41:21,577 Ga-- Gary ran the campus police. 885 00:41:21,577 --> 00:41:22,702 Right, Scotty? 886 00:41:22,702 --> 00:41:24,993 Gary also knew about that thing in 1998 887 00:41:24,993 --> 00:41:25,993 and did nothing about it. 888 00:41:27,034 --> 00:41:29,285 Wait, what thing in 1998? 889 00:41:29,285 --> 00:41:31,368 Scott: There was another kid, Ma. 890 00:41:31,368 --> 00:41:33,868 In the shower, in the Lasch building. 891 00:41:33,868 --> 00:41:36,201 That kid told his mom, his mom called the cops. 892 00:41:36,201 --> 00:41:37,909 The cops got Jerry over to the kid's house 893 00:41:37,909 --> 00:41:39,993 while they were in the other room listening. 894 00:41:39,993 --> 00:41:42,702 W-While Jerry's there? 895 00:41:42,702 --> 00:41:44,368 - Yes. - Yeah. 896 00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:48,743 And the mom says, "You can't do this ever again with anyone," 897 00:41:48,743 --> 00:41:52,909 and Jerry says, "I can't promise that" with the cops listening. 898 00:41:52,909 --> 00:41:54,951 And they don't arrest him. They just say, 899 00:41:54,951 --> 00:41:56,660 "Don't shower with little boys." 900 00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:57,702 That was the end of it. 901 00:41:57,702 --> 00:41:59,118 How was that the end of it? 902 00:41:59,118 --> 00:42:01,909 Because all they had was showering and hugging. 903 00:42:01,909 --> 00:42:02,909 Not a crime. 904 00:42:02,909 --> 00:42:04,743 A hug goodbye? 905 00:42:04,743 --> 00:42:07,201 Mary: No. Naked, wet hugging. 906 00:42:07,201 --> 00:42:08,993 Sue: And that's not a crime? 907 00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:14,159 Because the DA, for some ungodly reason, decided that it wasn't. 908 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:19,618 Well, why isn't anyone talking about the DA's moral obligation? 909 00:42:19,618 --> 00:42:21,702 Did Gary tell you about that one too? 910 00:42:21,702 --> 00:42:24,201 Guido: Why do you think the police commissioner is trying to say 911 00:42:24,201 --> 00:42:26,410 that Joe has got a moral responsibility? 912 00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:27,743 It's because they missed it. 913 00:42:27,743 --> 00:42:30,118 You know what? Everybody missed it. Everybody! 914 00:42:30,118 --> 00:42:31,451 How come no one's talking 915 00:42:31,451 --> 00:42:33,285 about the frickin' Second Mile, huh? 916 00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:34,951 Those idiots. They were told what happened, 917 00:42:34,951 --> 00:42:36,451 and nobody decided to say, 918 00:42:36,451 --> 00:42:37,868 "Hey, maybe we should keep this guy away 919 00:42:37,868 --> 00:42:38,909 from the hundreds of little boys 920 00:42:38,909 --> 00:42:39,951 we got running around"? 921 00:42:39,951 --> 00:42:41,577 What was Gary thinking? 922 00:42:41,577 --> 00:42:43,243 Listen to this. 923 00:42:43,243 --> 00:42:45,743 "Schultz, equivocating on the definition of 'sexua'' 924 00:42:45,743 --> 00:42:48,118 in the context of Sandusky wrestling with 925 00:42:48,118 --> 00:42:50,410 and grabbing the genitals of the boy--" 926 00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:54,326 I mean, who equivocates on grabbing a kid's genitals. 927 00:42:54,326 --> 00:42:57,285 Okay, let's go. Let me have that thing. 928 00:43:04,076 --> 00:43:06,034 ( chatter ) 929 00:43:11,076 --> 00:43:12,993 ( doorbell rings ) 930 00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:16,368 - Oh, great. Thank you. - Of course. 931 00:43:16,368 --> 00:43:17,660 Is there anything else I can do? 932 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:18,993 No. No, you better go. 933 00:43:18,993 --> 00:43:20,577 You don't want 'em getting interested in you. 934 00:43:20,577 --> 00:43:24,909 Yeah, um, I grabbed another file in case you need it. 935 00:43:24,909 --> 00:43:27,285 Oh, great. Thanks. 936 00:43:27,285 --> 00:43:28,535 Okay. 937 00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:15,827 An hour shower? 938 00:44:15,827 --> 00:44:19,285 Same as what happened three years ago in '98. 939 00:44:19,285 --> 00:44:22,702 Why does the man still have keys to the building? 940 00:44:22,702 --> 00:44:26,493 It's part of his retirement deal. 941 00:44:26,493 --> 00:44:30,993 Just tell the man he can't come in here with little boys. 942 00:44:30,993 --> 00:44:33,076 Cops told him that the first time it happened. 943 00:44:33,076 --> 00:44:35,201 Didn't seem to make much of an impression. 944 00:44:35,201 --> 00:44:39,076 Sit down with the guy and explain that, 945 00:44:39,076 --> 00:44:42,909 under no circumstances, can he come into university facilities 946 00:44:42,909 --> 00:44:44,076 with a child. 947 00:44:44,076 --> 00:44:47,493 No workouts. No goddamn showering. 948 00:44:47,493 --> 00:44:49,951 All right, so we-- we talk to the charity, 949 00:44:49,951 --> 00:44:53,743 we talk to Jerry, and we call Child Welfare. 950 00:44:55,577 --> 00:44:57,868 And they will file it with the police? 951 00:44:57,868 --> 00:44:59,368 Yeah. 952 00:45:02,326 --> 00:45:04,618 This is a fucking nightmare. 953 00:45:13,785 --> 00:45:15,451 Man: Will the court officer now read 954 00:45:15,451 --> 00:45:18,785 the charges against Gerald A. Sandusky? 955 00:45:18,785 --> 00:45:21,909 Woman: Sandusky performed oral sex on Victim One 956 00:45:21,909 --> 00:45:23,868 on a number of occasions, 957 00:45:23,868 --> 00:45:27,285 had Victim One perform oral sex on him, 958 00:45:27,285 --> 00:45:30,451 gives Nike shoes, ice hockey equipment... 959 00:45:30,451 --> 00:45:33,451 ...overnight at his residence, basement, bedroom, 960 00:45:33,451 --> 00:45:37,118 performed oral sex on him more than 20 times. 961 00:45:37,118 --> 00:45:40,618 Victim Four. Attend the pre-game banquet, 962 00:45:40,618 --> 00:45:43,285 sits with Sandusky at the coach's table... 963 00:45:43,285 --> 00:45:45,451 hotel room... the Alamo Bowl... 964 00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:49,159 ...Inserts his erect penis into Victim Four's mouth. 965 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,159 Attempted to penetrate Victim Four's anus 966 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:53,909 both with a finger and his penis. 967 00:45:53,909 --> 00:45:55,827 (trailing off) 968 00:46:02,827 --> 00:46:04,493 What is sodomy? 969 00:46:04,493 --> 00:46:05,951 Scott: Oh, come on. 970 00:46:05,951 --> 00:46:08,993 Uh, Achilles, and, uh, Patroclus? 971 00:46:10,493 --> 00:46:12,785 Nessus and, uh, uh, Uralus. 972 00:46:12,785 --> 00:46:15,118 W-What does he know about these perverted things? 973 00:46:30,201 --> 00:46:31,993 Joe's having a press conference today, 974 00:46:31,993 --> 00:46:34,034 so if we could do this as quick as possible, 975 00:46:34,034 --> 00:46:35,285 I'd like to get over there. 976 00:46:35,285 --> 00:46:38,451 Do you have a hairbrush or a comb? 977 00:46:38,451 --> 00:46:40,909 - In your bag? - Uh, no. no. 978 00:46:40,909 --> 00:46:43,702 - Lipstick? - Uh, no. No. 979 00:46:43,702 --> 00:46:45,827 Huge bag and you don't have anything. 980 00:46:45,827 --> 00:46:46,909 - What? - Okay. 981 00:46:46,909 --> 00:46:48,201 Um, what do we think about this coat? 982 00:46:48,201 --> 00:46:49,702 I think it's gonna strobe. 983 00:46:49,702 --> 00:46:51,577 Yeah. Let's, uh, let's take it off. 984 00:46:51,577 --> 00:46:53,159 - Take the coat off? - Mh-hmm. 985 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:54,451 I've got, like, a yellow... 986 00:46:54,451 --> 00:46:56,034 yellow shirt on I can wear. 987 00:46:56,034 --> 00:46:58,201 Oh... 988 00:46:58,201 --> 00:47:00,702 Uh, you know what? Let's keep it on. 989 00:47:00,702 --> 00:47:04,034 - The coat-- on? - Mh-hmm. Mh-hmm. Button up. 990 00:47:04,034 --> 00:47:05,201 Button up. 991 00:47:05,201 --> 00:47:07,368 Yeah, it's gonna help you. 992 00:47:07,368 --> 00:47:09,785 Man: Legendary head coach Joe Paterno getting ready 993 00:47:09,785 --> 00:47:12,326 for what may be the toughest press conference of his life today. 994 00:47:12,326 --> 00:47:14,702 Man 2: These will be his first on-camera statements 995 00:47:14,702 --> 00:47:18,951 since this scandal broke, and the stakes are incredibly high for him. 996 00:47:18,951 --> 00:47:21,660 Guido: Okay, that statement we put out the other day, it had no impact. 997 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:23,868 We do it today, we do it head on, 998 00:47:23,868 --> 00:47:25,909 on camera, and then it's over. 999 00:47:25,909 --> 00:47:27,493 Joe: All right, McQueary told me 1000 00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:30,076 he saw something inappropriate, 1001 00:47:30,076 --> 00:47:33,159 so the next day I called Tim, 1002 00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:34,577 - Wait, wait-- - and he came over. 1003 00:47:34,577 --> 00:47:36,118 Scott: You called him when? 1004 00:47:36,118 --> 00:47:38,535 I called him the next day. 1005 00:47:38,535 --> 00:47:40,909 It was Saturday. Oh, it was Saturday, yeah. 1006 00:47:40,909 --> 00:47:43,577 I got the call, I waited till the weekend was over 1007 00:47:43,577 --> 00:47:46,702 'cause I, you know, I wasn't gonna ruin his weekend. 1008 00:47:46,702 --> 00:47:49,285 - He's got kids. - Don't say that. 1009 00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:51,285 Scott asked a question. 1010 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:53,243 Well, do you want me to lie? 1011 00:47:53,243 --> 00:47:55,577 You can't say that you heard about child abuse, 1012 00:47:55,577 --> 00:47:58,951 and then you waited a couple days so you didn't ruin someone's weekend. 1013 00:47:58,951 --> 00:48:02,034 I mean, presumably the rape ruined the child's weekend-- 1014 00:48:02,034 --> 00:48:03,827 - Mary Kay. - But put it this way: 1015 00:48:03,827 --> 00:48:05,743 You hear about someone diddling my kids? 1016 00:48:05,743 --> 00:48:07,326 Don't wait the weekend! 1017 00:48:07,326 --> 00:48:10,577 She's right, she's right. You can't say it, okay? 1018 00:48:10,577 --> 00:48:12,451 - So, what do I say? - OK, this should be football. 1019 00:48:12,451 --> 00:48:15,034 Right? It's a weekly football press conference! 1020 00:48:15,034 --> 00:48:17,118 I mean, what are we doing? We're sittin' around-- 1021 00:48:17,118 --> 00:48:19,618 They're standing out there. There's people-- 1022 00:48:19,618 --> 00:48:21,451 Everybody wants to know what happened. 1023 00:48:21,451 --> 00:48:23,076 That's right. You do it, and then it's done. 1024 00:48:23,076 --> 00:48:25,410 - Right. - Okay. Sure. 1025 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:29,285 - So, where were we? Did you call the police? - ( Sue sighs ) 1026 00:48:29,285 --> 00:48:32,201 But it is a press conference, Scott. It's not a deposition. 1027 00:48:32,201 --> 00:48:34,451 Scott: It's gonna be a lot worse than a deposition, Dad, this is the media. 1028 00:48:34,451 --> 00:48:35,993 They got nothing to eat but you. 1029 00:48:35,993 --> 00:48:37,660 So the press is going to ask you 1030 00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:39,243 why didn't you pick up the phone yourself? 1031 00:48:39,243 --> 00:48:43,243 Michael McQueary was a mess when he talked to me. 1032 00:48:43,243 --> 00:48:45,201 Mary Kay: What did the kid say happened? 1033 00:48:45,201 --> 00:48:49,660 I didn't talk to the kids. I talked to McQueary. 1034 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:52,410 Wait, so-- So who talked to the kid? 1035 00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:53,660 Was it Gary? 1036 00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:55,368 I don't know who talked to the kid. 1037 00:48:55,368 --> 00:48:56,660 I don't know. Who knows? 1038 00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:57,660 Was he okay? 1039 00:48:57,660 --> 00:49:00,159 - Okay, who? - The child. 1040 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,326 Guido: I don't think the press is gonna get into this, hon. 1041 00:49:02,326 --> 00:49:04,201 No, I'm asking, Guido. 1042 00:49:04,201 --> 00:49:07,201 I mean, the kid knows what happened. What did he say? 1043 00:49:07,201 --> 00:49:09,785 ( clears throat ) Well, I think nobody talked to the kid. 1044 00:49:09,785 --> 00:49:11,285 They-- they didn't find the kid. 1045 00:49:11,285 --> 00:49:12,201 ( coughs ) 1046 00:49:13,827 --> 00:49:16,034 I don't-- I don't understand what the-- 1047 00:49:16,034 --> 00:49:17,993 How could they not find the kid? 1048 00:49:17,993 --> 00:49:19,660 They could just ask Jerry. 1049 00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:23,577 Well, they didn't look for him. It was an oversight. 1050 00:49:23,577 --> 00:49:26,034 - Wow. - Oversight. 1051 00:49:26,034 --> 00:49:30,410 So did you ask about the kid and they just never followed up? 1052 00:49:33,243 --> 00:49:34,868 Guido: Mary Kay. 1053 00:49:34,868 --> 00:49:37,201 - But, did you ask? - What are we doin' here? 1054 00:49:38,577 --> 00:49:40,326 Did you ask? 1055 00:49:42,868 --> 00:49:45,368 Man: This is more than a football legacy. 1056 00:49:45,368 --> 00:49:50,076 This is about people, and if we can't protect our kids, 1057 00:49:50,076 --> 00:49:53,076 we, as a society, are pathetic. 1058 00:49:53,076 --> 00:49:55,243 - Gar. It's Kim. - Hey. 1059 00:49:55,243 --> 00:49:57,451 - You back home? - Yeah. 1060 00:49:57,451 --> 00:49:59,326 Good. You okay? 1061 00:49:59,326 --> 00:50:01,827 Uh, yeah, super. Listen, Kim, I really-- 1062 00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:03,243 I made a copy... 1063 00:50:03,243 --> 00:50:07,743 of the file... in the envelope. 1064 00:50:07,743 --> 00:50:10,785 - Okay. - I'm sorry. 1065 00:50:10,785 --> 00:50:11,785 It's okay. 1066 00:50:11,785 --> 00:50:13,577 It's habit, you know? 1067 00:50:13,577 --> 00:50:16,410 I don't take anything from the file without a copy. 1068 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:18,243 Yeah, of course. Of course. 1069 00:50:18,243 --> 00:50:22,909 Um...I gave you the original, Gar. 1070 00:50:22,909 --> 00:50:24,660 I shouldn't have done that. 1071 00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:27,243 Oh, it's fine, Kim. 1072 00:50:27,243 --> 00:50:28,785 Look, I'll bring 'em back in the morning. 1073 00:50:28,785 --> 00:50:31,951 No, they won't let you in the building. 1074 00:50:31,951 --> 00:50:36,076 ( sighs ) I'm concerned about hiding evidence 1075 00:50:36,076 --> 00:50:38,118 if the originals are gone. 1076 00:50:38,118 --> 00:50:41,326 There's, like, fingerprints and things. 1077 00:50:41,326 --> 00:50:44,159 They look into all that. 1078 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,076 What if they ask me about it? 1079 00:50:48,451 --> 00:50:52,951 I don't know, Kim. Just tell 'em the truth. 1080 00:50:52,951 --> 00:50:56,909 Okay. Okay. 1081 00:50:56,909 --> 00:50:58,410 Thanks. 1082 00:51:02,451 --> 00:51:07,577 Curley ( over phone ): Look, I met with Joe. We talked about it, and... 1083 00:51:07,577 --> 00:51:09,827 to go behind Jerry's back to his own organization 1084 00:51:09,827 --> 00:51:11,618 and the Department of Child Welfare 1085 00:51:11,618 --> 00:51:13,785 before we've even looked at the guy face-to-face 1086 00:51:13,785 --> 00:51:16,618 and asked him what happened 1087 00:51:16,618 --> 00:51:20,118 seems... I don't know, inhumane. 1088 00:51:20,118 --> 00:51:21,951 What happened to calling Child Welfare? 1089 00:51:21,951 --> 00:51:23,785 And, uh, fucking Second Mile? 1090 00:51:23,785 --> 00:51:26,660 Look, we just gotta ask the guy what happened. 1091 00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,785 I mean, maybe-- I don't know, maybe it's a misunderstanding. 1092 00:51:29,785 --> 00:51:31,868 Graham agrees. Joe agrees. 1093 00:51:34,326 --> 00:51:36,201 ( Paterno moans) 1094 00:51:37,326 --> 00:51:38,702 Who's driving? 1095 00:51:38,702 --> 00:51:40,159 Jay: Uh, come in my car. 1096 00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,451 I'll drop you home after practice. 1097 00:51:42,451 --> 00:51:44,201 Yeah, there's a couple of reporters out there. 1098 00:51:44,201 --> 00:51:46,076 Keep em to the side so we don't run anybody down. 1099 00:51:46,076 --> 00:51:47,493 - Yeah. - What do you mean? 1100 00:51:47,493 --> 00:51:49,993 Why-- Why aren't they at the press conference? 1101 00:51:49,993 --> 00:51:51,451 Probably wanna follow you there. 1102 00:51:51,451 --> 00:51:52,993 Hey, you can moon 'em on the way. 1103 00:51:52,993 --> 00:51:54,827 Scott, that's not appropriate right now. 1104 00:51:56,951 --> 00:51:58,743 Says who? 1105 00:51:58,743 --> 00:52:03,326 Guys, they don't want to do it right now. The press conference. 1106 00:52:03,326 --> 00:52:05,285 We got practice in 40 minutes. It's now or never. 1107 00:52:05,285 --> 00:52:07,410 Yeah, well, they don't want a press conference today. 1108 00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:09,535 It's cancelled. 1109 00:52:09,535 --> 00:52:12,243 Without my permission? 1110 00:52:12,243 --> 00:52:14,285 Guido: Yeah. 1111 00:52:14,285 --> 00:52:17,076 Man: Due to the ongoing legal circumstances 1112 00:52:17,076 --> 00:52:19,785 surrendered around the recent allegations and charges, 1113 00:52:19,785 --> 00:52:22,034 we have determined that today's press conference 1114 00:52:22,034 --> 00:52:24,326 cannot be held and will not be rescheduled. 1115 00:52:24,326 --> 00:52:26,618 We will not have any additional comments on this matter. 1116 00:52:26,618 --> 00:52:28,993 Woman: Never? It won't ever be rescheduled? 1117 00:52:28,993 --> 00:52:30,702 Man: Don't you guys feel you have an obligation 1118 00:52:30,702 --> 00:52:31,702 to talk about this? 1119 00:52:33,493 --> 00:52:34,827 "Crime & Punishment," new developments 1120 00:52:34,827 --> 00:52:36,660 in the child sex abuse scandal that has rocked 1121 00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:38,243 Penn State's legendary football program. 1122 00:52:38,243 --> 00:52:39,993 Today a regular weekly news conference 1123 00:52:39,993 --> 00:52:42,243 with Penn State's head coach Joe Paterno was canceled. 1124 00:52:42,243 --> 00:52:44,326 It would have been his first since the scandal broke. 1125 00:52:44,326 --> 00:52:46,243 Reporters were waiting when he left practice. 1126 00:52:46,243 --> 00:52:49,243 - ( reporters clamor ) - Guys, you got good questions, 1127 00:52:49,243 --> 00:52:51,660 but I can't-- I can't answer them. 1128 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:55,076 Sorry. I just can't do it. 1129 00:52:55,076 --> 00:52:56,827 Cooper: So far, two top university officials, 1130 00:52:56,827 --> 00:52:58,285 Timothy Curley and Gary Schultz, 1131 00:52:58,285 --> 00:53:00,410 have been charged with failing to report 1132 00:53:00,410 --> 00:53:03,577 allegations of abuse that occurred on university property. 1133 00:53:03,577 --> 00:53:05,993 Sara Ganim, a reporter at The Patriot-News. 1134 00:53:05,993 --> 00:53:08,368 Sara, you spoke to two of the moms of the victims 1135 00:53:08,368 --> 00:53:09,827 allegedly sexually molested by Sandusky. 1136 00:53:09,827 --> 00:53:11,076 What did they tell you? 1137 00:53:11,076 --> 00:53:15,410 I mean, both of them are extremely-- 1138 00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:19,993 feeling extremely let down and betrayed by Penn State, 1139 00:53:19,993 --> 00:53:23,201 and those feelings are coming from the charges 1140 00:53:23,201 --> 00:53:25,618 levied against him, Curley, and Gary Schultz, 1141 00:53:25,618 --> 00:53:29,785 and then, the, uh, moral allegations basically-- 1142 00:53:29,785 --> 00:53:31,868 - ( plane flies over ) - Uh, I hope you can hear me, 1143 00:53:31,868 --> 00:53:34,451 there's loud airplanes flying above us-- 1144 00:53:34,451 --> 00:53:37,577 --uh, against Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier. 1145 00:53:37,577 --> 00:53:40,577 Um, and, uh, one mom in particular, 1146 00:53:40,577 --> 00:53:43,660 her son came forward in 1998, was not believed, 1147 00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:47,285 and, uh, they feel awful that other children 1148 00:53:47,285 --> 00:53:49,577 were victimized because her son was not believed. 1149 00:53:51,785 --> 00:53:54,868 Woman: The university cancelled Paterno's news conference 1150 00:53:54,868 --> 00:53:56,785 just minutes before it was scheduled to begin, 1151 00:53:56,785 --> 00:53:59,535 and the school freely admits that the reason is because 1152 00:53:59,535 --> 00:54:03,451 of the child rape scandal marring Paterno's program. 1153 00:54:03,451 --> 00:54:07,660 Calls for Paterno's resignation are really starting to pile up. 1154 00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:09,326 Guido: I think it's time to call somebody. 1155 00:54:09,326 --> 00:54:10,785 We need tactical advice. 1156 00:54:10,785 --> 00:54:13,159 - Like a crisis guy. - Perfect. Who do you got? 1157 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,868 - ( sighs ) I don't know. - Let me Google it. 1158 00:54:15,868 --> 00:54:17,118 Jay: You're Googling it? 1159 00:54:17,118 --> 00:54:18,535 - Yeah. - Oh, that's great. 1160 00:54:18,535 --> 00:54:20,243 Jay: We're a major university 1161 00:54:20,243 --> 00:54:22,243 in the middle of a very serious public relations debacle, 1162 00:54:22,243 --> 00:54:23,909 and you're solving it on Google. 1163 00:54:23,909 --> 00:54:25,410 - Joe! - Mary Kay: Is that what I want, 1164 00:54:25,410 --> 00:54:27,034 though, a public relations spin? 1165 00:54:27,034 --> 00:54:28,702 - Scott: PR's marketing. - Sue: Joe! 1166 00:54:28,702 --> 00:54:30,743 We already got a marketing guy sittin' right here. 1167 00:54:30,743 --> 00:54:32,285 - So what, then? - Give me your phone. 1168 00:54:32,285 --> 00:54:33,951 - No, I can do it. - Give me your phone! 1169 00:54:33,951 --> 00:54:36,076 Tell me what to put in. What, like, a crisis manager? 1170 00:54:36,076 --> 00:54:37,577 - That sounds about right! - No, no, no. 1171 00:54:37,577 --> 00:54:39,368 Crisis management. A crisis management firm. 1172 00:54:39,368 --> 00:54:41,368 - Okay, I'm good now. - What's the difference? 1173 00:54:41,368 --> 00:54:44,076 Why aren't all these reporters over at Jerry's? 1174 00:54:44,076 --> 00:54:45,660 I'm calling Frank. He knows somebody 1175 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:47,243 who deals with this kind of thing. 1176 00:54:47,243 --> 00:54:48,368 The car guy? 1177 00:54:48,368 --> 00:54:49,618 You're giving me crap for Google, 1178 00:54:49,618 --> 00:54:50,702 and you want advice from Frank 1179 00:54:50,702 --> 00:54:52,368 at the car dealership? 1180 00:54:52,368 --> 00:54:54,159 Doesn't the school have a crisis manager? 1181 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:55,493 Does it look like the school has a-- 1182 00:54:57,201 --> 00:54:58,535 Sorry, Ma. 1183 00:54:58,535 --> 00:55:00,493 - Okay. McGinn and Company. - Okay. 1184 00:55:00,493 --> 00:55:03,368 Dan McGinn. "Helping clients solve their most perplexing 1185 00:55:03,368 --> 00:55:05,909 and important reputation challenges." 1186 00:55:05,909 --> 00:55:08,034 Huh? What is he, like, on a top ten list? 1187 00:55:08,034 --> 00:55:09,743 Yeah, he's on a top ten list. 1188 00:55:09,743 --> 00:55:12,076 - Should I call him? - Yeah, call him. 1189 00:55:12,076 --> 00:55:14,368 Sure, why not? 1190 00:55:14,368 --> 00:55:16,410 Scott: Ask for Dan McGinn. 1191 00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:18,660 Mary Kay: Oh, hi, hi. May I speak with-- 1192 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:19,535 Scott: Dan McGinn. 1193 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:43,034 Ha. You're walkin' weird, man, you get Sandusky'd last night? 1194 00:55:43,034 --> 00:55:45,702 Yeah, he sucked me off and then we played Xbox. 1195 00:55:45,702 --> 00:55:47,827 - Boy 1: It's a lie. - Boy 2: What? 1196 00:55:47,827 --> 00:55:50,909 - Some fuckin' piece of trailer trash set him up. - Jerry? 1197 00:55:50,909 --> 00:55:53,451 Yeah. Kid probably tried to blackmail him, 1198 00:55:53,451 --> 00:55:55,577 Jerry told him to fuck off, and he's like, 1199 00:55:55,577 --> 00:55:57,535 "I'm gonna sue your ass for $20 million 1200 00:55:57,535 --> 00:55:59,660 - for damage to my rectum." - ( laughter ) 1201 00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:01,243 Total fabrication. 1202 00:56:01,243 --> 00:56:04,368 It's somebody from the track team. 1203 00:56:04,368 --> 00:56:05,743 Our track team? 1204 00:56:05,743 --> 00:56:06,868 Yeah. 1205 00:56:08,243 --> 00:56:09,827 Did you see about JoePa? 1206 00:56:09,827 --> 00:56:12,285 Of course I saw it, man. 1207 00:56:12,285 --> 00:56:14,159 I don't even want to talk about that. 1208 00:56:20,201 --> 00:56:21,618 Hey. Yo, you the faggot? 1209 00:56:23,326 --> 00:56:25,493 - Hey. Hey. - Get him, get him! 1210 00:56:28,951 --> 00:56:29,827 Go! Go! 1211 00:56:34,951 --> 00:56:36,660 No showers, huh?! 1212 00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:38,493 Showers? 1213 00:56:38,493 --> 00:56:40,660 Trash? Huh? 1214 00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:44,785 I'm gonna beat your ass, kid. You fucking faggot! 1215 00:56:51,827 --> 00:56:54,159 ( typing ) 1216 00:56:57,827 --> 00:57:00,326 Man ( over phone ): I'm happy to come down, Guido. 1217 00:57:00,326 --> 00:57:02,326 I've been watching the coverage. 1218 00:57:02,326 --> 00:57:04,285 It sure looks like things have begun to spin out. 1219 00:57:04,285 --> 00:57:07,285 Yeah. It's making this school look like shit. 1220 00:57:07,285 --> 00:57:09,034 They have no idea how to get in front of it. 1221 00:57:09,034 --> 00:57:10,909 I'm sorry, you lost me for a second there. 1222 00:57:10,909 --> 00:57:13,034 Are you looking for advice for Coach Paterno, 1223 00:57:13,034 --> 00:57:14,159 or for the university? 1224 00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,201 For both. 1225 00:57:16,201 --> 00:57:19,743 The thing is, if you hire me, the issue is, sir, 1226 00:57:19,743 --> 00:57:22,326 I'm not sure you and Penn State are two entities 1227 00:57:22,326 --> 00:57:25,034 with aligned interests right now. 1228 00:57:25,034 --> 00:57:28,451 Well, I never thought of it that way. 1229 00:57:28,451 --> 00:57:31,577 Scott: The guy just represents you, so you've gotta pay for it? 1230 00:57:31,577 --> 00:57:33,368 When it's over, they'll reimburse me. 1231 00:57:33,368 --> 00:57:34,785 Yeah, the university's reputation 1232 00:57:34,785 --> 00:57:36,493 is the board's responsibility. 1233 00:57:36,493 --> 00:57:38,034 This is their crisis. 1234 00:57:38,034 --> 00:57:40,702 They need to hire a crisis manager, not us. 1235 00:57:40,702 --> 00:57:42,577 - Yeah. - ( singing in distance ) 1236 00:57:42,577 --> 00:57:43,702 What the hell is that? 1237 00:57:48,451 --> 00:57:51,201 ( singing continues ) 1238 00:57:59,243 --> 00:58:01,326 ( singing ) 1239 00:58:01,326 --> 00:58:06,243 We're here for them. You don't leave 'em hanging. 1240 00:58:06,243 --> 00:58:07,868 - No, no. Joe-- Joe! - What? 1241 00:58:07,868 --> 00:58:10,868 100 reporters. You can't march out there. 1242 00:58:10,868 --> 00:58:12,159 I should go. 1243 00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,326 No, no, I'll do it. I'll do it. 1244 00:58:15,951 --> 00:58:18,410 ( singing ) 1245 00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:20,702 ♪ Male student: Joe Paterno ♪ 1246 00:58:20,702 --> 00:58:22,827 - ( clapping ) - All: ♪ Joe... ♪ 1247 00:58:22,827 --> 00:58:24,868 - This is their home. - They expect us to camp. 1248 00:58:24,868 --> 00:58:27,243 - Step back, man! - ( arguing ) 1249 00:58:27,243 --> 00:58:29,618 - ♪ Joe Paterno ♪ - ( clapping ) 1250 00:58:29,618 --> 00:58:31,743 - Hey, everybody. - ( chanting ) Joe Paterno! 1251 00:58:31,743 --> 00:58:33,618 Hey, everybody. Hey, hey! Thank you. 1252 00:58:33,618 --> 00:58:35,743 Thank you very much. We really appreciate all your support. 1253 00:58:35,743 --> 00:58:38,993 We really do. Before you go back to cheering, 1254 00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:41,410 I'll ask you to take a moment, you know, and say a prayer for-- 1255 00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:43,034 ♪ Scott Paterno ♪ 1256 00:58:43,034 --> 00:58:46,034 - ( clapping ) - ♪ Scott Paterno ♪ 1257 00:58:46,034 --> 00:58:50,034 Okay, look, look, look. Hey, however this works out-- 1258 00:58:50,034 --> 00:58:53,201 - ( chant continues ) - Guys, however this works out, 1259 00:58:53,201 --> 00:58:56,868 this is a terrible story involving a lot of kids, okay? 1260 00:58:56,868 --> 00:58:58,577 And they-- They need our support too! 1261 00:58:58,577 --> 00:59:01,076 - ( chanting ) - A prayer for the kids, OK? 1262 00:59:01,076 --> 00:59:02,618 ( chanting ) Scott Paterno! 1263 00:59:02,618 --> 00:59:05,410 Scott: I appreciate it. I really appreciate it. 1264 00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:08,118 Guys, if you could just listen to me for one second! 1265 00:59:08,118 --> 00:59:11,702 That's great, guys. Guys-- I got three kids, okay? 1266 00:59:11,702 --> 00:59:12,951 This is a huge-- 1267 00:59:12,951 --> 00:59:15,076 - ( chanting ) - All right, guys. 1268 00:59:15,076 --> 00:59:17,326 - Thank you. - ( chanting ) 1269 00:59:17,326 --> 00:59:19,201 ♪ Scott Paterno ...♪ 1270 00:59:19,201 --> 00:59:23,785 Male student: - Scott, is Joe gonna... speak up.... 1271 00:59:25,034 --> 00:59:26,451 Wow. So effective. 1272 00:59:26,451 --> 00:59:28,159 ( imitates chant cadence ) 1273 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:29,285 Fuck you, Jay. 1274 00:59:29,285 --> 00:59:30,785 Oh, Scott. For heaven's sakes. 1275 00:59:30,785 --> 00:59:32,118 You can't just shut 'em off. 1276 00:59:32,118 --> 00:59:33,326 Joe could. 1277 00:59:33,326 --> 00:59:34,909 Joe's not goin' out there. 1278 00:59:40,285 --> 00:59:41,201 Call him. 1279 00:59:44,326 --> 00:59:45,868 ( sighs ) 1280 00:59:50,743 --> 00:59:54,076 Hi. Dan McGinn, please? 1281 00:59:54,076 --> 00:59:55,785 It's Mary Kay Paterno. 1282 00:59:55,785 --> 00:59:57,326 ( car alarm beeps ) 1283 00:59:57,326 --> 00:59:59,326 Liam: We saw the CNN interview, Sara. 1284 00:59:59,326 --> 01:00:01,660 What kind of bullshit was that? 1285 01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:04,326 You know, football programs make millions of dollars-- 1286 01:00:04,326 --> 01:00:05,326 Billions. 1287 01:00:05,326 --> 01:00:06,326 They make billions 1288 01:00:06,326 --> 01:00:07,326 of dollars every year 1289 01:00:07,326 --> 01:00:08,660 off football players. 1290 01:00:08,660 --> 01:00:10,285 But JoePa was the only one who ever said, 1291 01:00:10,285 --> 01:00:11,702 you know, these are scholars, 1292 01:00:11,702 --> 01:00:13,535 they're here to learn how to become men. 1293 01:00:13,535 --> 01:00:16,326 That's the guy you want to shit on? 1294 01:00:16,326 --> 01:00:17,827 Like it's his fault that Jerry's a queen. 1295 01:00:17,827 --> 01:00:19,285 I have to believe you know the difference 1296 01:00:19,285 --> 01:00:21,034 between a gay man and a pedophile. 1297 01:00:21,034 --> 01:00:22,868 Are you calling me a faggot? 1298 01:00:22,868 --> 01:00:25,243 Whether or not you're a faggot has nothing to do 1299 01:00:25,243 --> 01:00:27,076 with the act of a child abuser. 1300 01:00:27,076 --> 01:00:29,326 If you're friend calls me a fuckin' faggot one more time, 1301 01:00:29,326 --> 01:00:31,201 I'm gonna lose my shit. 1302 01:00:31,201 --> 01:00:32,368 Who are you even talking to? 1303 01:00:32,368 --> 01:00:35,993 JoePa made an ethos in this whole place. 1304 01:00:35,993 --> 01:00:38,909 Like, it fucking mattered that you got an education 1305 01:00:38,909 --> 01:00:41,034 because you're about more than just yourself. 1306 01:00:41,034 --> 01:00:43,577 You're a school, and you fight for something together. 1307 01:00:43,577 --> 01:00:44,868 Juliet: She went to the school. 1308 01:00:44,868 --> 01:00:46,660 Liam: Yeah? She learn anything? 1309 01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:48,993 Whoo. On your way down, think about getting up. 1310 01:00:48,993 --> 01:00:50,827 Don't be afraid to lose. 1311 01:00:50,827 --> 01:00:52,410 The team that makes fewer mistakes wins. 1312 01:00:52,410 --> 01:00:54,076 Cut your hair, wear a tie-- 1313 01:00:54,076 --> 01:00:56,951 - That's literally all JoePa. - I think she knows that. 1314 01:00:56,951 --> 01:00:59,201 You know why you read Virgil in the original? 1315 01:00:59,201 --> 01:01:02,702 To gain a nuanced understanding of coded language. 1316 01:01:02,702 --> 01:01:05,577 So when one of your guys says that something fishy went down, 1317 01:01:05,577 --> 01:01:07,326 in the locker room, in the shower, 1318 01:01:07,326 --> 01:01:09,243 with a 10-year-old, you get the fucking gist. 1319 01:01:09,243 --> 01:01:12,159 Liam: She makes money by telling lies. 1320 01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,535 She doesn't have a good lie, she doesn't get a good paycheck. 1321 01:01:15,535 --> 01:01:19,201 Well, it must not be a good lie, 'cause it's a tiny fuckin' paycheck. 1322 01:01:36,909 --> 01:01:38,201 ( grunts ) 1323 01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:45,743 What have I-- 1324 01:01:51,827 --> 01:01:54,660 Liability problem. What is that? 1325 01:01:57,118 --> 01:01:58,118 Ohh. 1326 01:02:10,618 --> 01:02:14,285 Newhouse: Who could've stopped it, and didn't? 1327 01:02:14,285 --> 01:02:19,076 Some it's just lying, and some of it's people hearing 1328 01:02:19,076 --> 01:02:21,159 - and not believing it-- - ( knocking on door ) 1329 01:02:22,785 --> 01:02:24,159 Is she gonna be on the Davis call? 1330 01:02:25,618 --> 01:02:28,326 Yep. 1331 01:02:28,326 --> 01:02:30,159 We need to be on the phone with Lanny Davis at four. 1332 01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:32,702 Bill Clinton's lawyer. He's representing Penn State. 1333 01:02:32,702 --> 01:02:33,909 Holy shit. 1334 01:02:33,909 --> 01:02:35,326 He's gonna scream a lot, 1335 01:02:35,326 --> 01:02:37,368 and threaten to sue the paper into the ground. 1336 01:02:37,368 --> 01:02:39,909 Can he do that? 1337 01:02:39,909 --> 01:02:43,076 - Who knew about 1998? - ( clears throat ) 1338 01:02:43,076 --> 01:02:48,118 The cops. Gary Schultz. He says he told Spanier, Spanier said he didn't. 1339 01:02:48,118 --> 01:02:49,702 What's the likelihood Schultz knew 1340 01:02:49,702 --> 01:02:51,743 and didn't tell Tim Curley and JoePa? 1341 01:02:51,743 --> 01:02:53,243 Nobody take a shit around there 1342 01:02:53,243 --> 01:02:55,326 without asking JoePa for tactical advice, so-- 1343 01:02:55,326 --> 01:02:56,326 But he says no. 1344 01:02:57,493 --> 01:02:59,326 The kid he raped at the Alamo Bowl? 1345 01:02:59,326 --> 01:03:01,827 That was '99, but I don't think he told anybody... 1346 01:03:01,827 --> 01:03:04,368 - before the investigation. - 2000? 1347 01:03:04,368 --> 01:03:08,577 A janitor sees Jerry pin a boy to a wall, blow him, 1348 01:03:08,577 --> 01:03:11,951 but only tells another janitor who's scared shitless of Joe, 1349 01:03:11,951 --> 01:03:14,159 thinks he's gonna get fired, so no report. 1350 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:15,159 2001? 1351 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:16,451 Well, 2001, everybody knew, 1352 01:03:16,451 --> 01:03:17,660 but they called it nothing. 1353 01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:19,118 Horsing around in a locker room. 1354 01:03:19,118 --> 01:03:20,410 Who? Who uses those words? 1355 01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:23,702 Spanier said he heard it was conduct 1356 01:03:23,702 --> 01:03:26,326 that made somebody uncomfortable. McQueary. 1357 01:03:26,326 --> 01:03:28,034 Wait, that's what McQueary told him? 1358 01:03:28,034 --> 01:03:29,201 No, he never talked to McQueary. 1359 01:03:29,201 --> 01:03:30,243 Who met with McQueary? 1360 01:03:30,243 --> 01:03:31,618 Paterno, Schultz, Curley. 1361 01:03:31,618 --> 01:03:33,034 How do they describe it? 1362 01:03:33,034 --> 01:03:35,285 They described it as "inappropriate conduct, 1363 01:03:35,285 --> 01:03:37,034 horsing around, not that serious." 1364 01:03:37,034 --> 01:03:38,535 And what about JoePa? 1365 01:03:38,535 --> 01:03:41,743 He said that McQueary saw something of a sexual nature. 1366 01:03:43,243 --> 01:03:44,951 What does Joe consider sexual? 1367 01:03:44,951 --> 01:03:46,285 I don't know. 1368 01:03:46,285 --> 01:03:47,951 What did McQueary say? 1369 01:03:47,951 --> 01:03:49,201 McQueary said what he saw. 1370 01:03:49,201 --> 01:03:50,451 The kid against the wall, Jerry behind him, 1371 01:03:50,451 --> 01:03:51,743 rhythmic sounds. 1372 01:03:51,743 --> 01:03:53,159 Anal rape. 1373 01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,243 Probably, but I don't know if he said those words. 1374 01:03:55,243 --> 01:03:58,201 He was trying to communicate anal rape, not snapping towels. 1375 01:03:58,201 --> 01:03:59,743 Well, I know that-- I just don't know 1376 01:03:59,743 --> 01:04:01,410 if we're on solid ground to say that. 1377 01:04:01,410 --> 01:04:03,076 I don't know if he said that to Joe. 1378 01:04:03,076 --> 01:04:04,702 Are we having a role reversal here? 1379 01:04:04,702 --> 01:04:06,827 You choose your words, you choose your reality. 1380 01:04:06,827 --> 01:04:09,201 How many people used words that allowed other people 1381 01:04:09,201 --> 01:04:11,535 to understand crimes against children 1382 01:04:11,535 --> 01:04:14,076 as what knuckleheads do in locker rooms? 1383 01:04:14,076 --> 01:04:15,410 We're in this, too. 1384 01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:16,660 You're first article's the reason 1385 01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:17,951 a bunch of these victims came forward. 1386 01:04:17,951 --> 01:04:19,535 There's no case without that. 1387 01:04:19,535 --> 01:04:20,577 You think I don't wanna use 1388 01:04:20,577 --> 01:04:22,076 the strongest possible language? 1389 01:04:22,076 --> 01:04:23,577 But when Bill Clinton's lawyer calls you-- 1390 01:04:23,577 --> 01:04:24,535 I'll deal with that. 1391 01:04:31,201 --> 01:04:33,785 Scott: He is the soul of the university. 1392 01:04:33,785 --> 01:04:35,451 Anybody in this town will tell you that. 1393 01:04:35,451 --> 01:04:39,577 Sue: We built the library, and he quintupled the endowment. 1394 01:04:39,577 --> 01:04:42,410 - Mary Kay: $2 billion. - This was a cow college. 1395 01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:44,909 Sue: They wanted a school with a good football team. 1396 01:04:44,909 --> 01:04:46,577 But Joe always said that they should be 1397 01:04:46,577 --> 01:04:48,660 a world-class academic institution. 1398 01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:50,451 It's not a farm team for the NFL. 1399 01:04:50,451 --> 01:04:52,785 Scott: It's a, uh-- it's a philosophy. 1400 01:04:52,785 --> 01:04:53,951 Mary Kay: Like the dorms. 1401 01:04:53,951 --> 01:04:55,034 Would not allow... 1402 01:04:55,034 --> 01:04:57,577 an athletic dormitory... 1403 01:04:57,577 --> 01:04:58,618 ( audio trails off ) 1404 01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,076 ( cheering ) 1405 01:05:08,076 --> 01:05:11,243 Show him the "Why I hate Jerry Sandusky" memo. 1406 01:05:12,702 --> 01:05:15,034 I don't know... 1407 01:05:15,034 --> 01:05:16,159 what this is. 1408 01:05:20,285 --> 01:05:21,326 What do you think? 1409 01:05:26,993 --> 01:05:30,951 Scott: If there was a reason to fire Jerry, he would have found it. 1410 01:05:30,951 --> 01:05:34,660 Okay, stop talking about me like I'm dead, please. 1411 01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:37,827 I'm here. The press is here. 1412 01:05:37,827 --> 01:05:40,034 Kids are shouting on the lawn. 1413 01:05:40,034 --> 01:05:43,368 Everybody wants to know what I have to say. 1414 01:05:43,368 --> 01:05:45,118 So, it's time to say it. 1415 01:05:46,868 --> 01:05:49,493 And what exactly do you want them to know? 1416 01:05:49,493 --> 01:05:53,410 Uh, a tragedy happened. 1417 01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:56,827 I did exactly what I was supposed to do 1418 01:05:56,827 --> 01:05:58,577 as soon as I knew. 1419 01:05:58,577 --> 01:06:00,243 End of story. 1420 01:06:00,243 --> 01:06:04,243 Did other people know? I don't know. 1421 01:06:04,243 --> 01:06:06,577 Did I know about rumors? 1422 01:06:06,577 --> 01:06:08,326 Who remembers? 1423 01:06:08,326 --> 01:06:10,493 I don't know what I had for breakfast. 1424 01:06:10,493 --> 01:06:12,243 ( scoffs ) 1425 01:06:12,243 --> 01:06:14,034 Sir, uh-- 1426 01:06:14,034 --> 01:06:19,159 Point is, it's time to focus on helping the university, 1427 01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:22,493 not talking about Joe Paterno. 1428 01:06:22,493 --> 01:06:24,827 It's-- What do-- 1429 01:06:24,827 --> 01:06:28,493 It's got nothing to do with me, truly. 1430 01:06:28,493 --> 01:06:31,034 What does it have to do with me? 1431 01:06:31,034 --> 01:06:33,493 McGinn: Coach, I have so much respect for you. 1432 01:06:33,493 --> 01:06:34,951 ( Paterno grunts ) 1433 01:06:34,951 --> 01:06:36,743 I followed your career for a long time. 1434 01:06:36,743 --> 01:06:39,618 That's why I took the case. 1435 01:06:39,618 --> 01:06:41,577 This is the bad part of my job. 1436 01:06:45,118 --> 01:06:46,743 You need to step down. 1437 01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:50,076 - You need to retire... - Scott: Whoa. 1438 01:06:50,076 --> 01:06:52,660 and announce it right away. 1439 01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:56,034 Scott: Okay, wait, wait-- Hold on-- 1440 01:06:56,034 --> 01:06:59,076 I want to know, from you, 1441 01:06:59,076 --> 01:07:01,868 what not to say to the press. 1442 01:07:01,868 --> 01:07:03,909 That's why you're here. 1443 01:07:03,909 --> 01:07:06,577 I don't need career advice. 1444 01:07:06,577 --> 01:07:08,118 Scott: Dan, we asked you to craft 1445 01:07:08,118 --> 01:07:09,660 a message for the press. That's it. 1446 01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:11,577 This isn't about what he-- 1447 01:07:11,577 --> 01:07:15,993 No. He can't go out there. 1448 01:07:15,993 --> 01:07:17,909 He's used to being the emperor holding forth 1449 01:07:17,909 --> 01:07:21,243 in front of a press corps that just watched him win. 1450 01:07:21,243 --> 01:07:23,368 You're not disciplined enough to go before the press. 1451 01:07:23,368 --> 01:07:25,034 - That's not true. - Sue: Hey, he talks in front of the press 1452 01:07:25,034 --> 01:07:26,785 every day, Mr. McGinn. 1453 01:07:26,785 --> 01:07:28,743 Ma'am, "What I had for breakfast" is what people say 1454 01:07:28,743 --> 01:07:30,868 when they're worried that they do know, 1455 01:07:30,868 --> 01:07:35,577 and they're old enough to think that they'll get away with it. 1456 01:07:35,577 --> 01:07:37,951 I started saying it to my wife when I turned 40. 1457 01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,660 You need to resign before somebody does it for you. 1458 01:07:45,868 --> 01:07:47,785 You've had a great career. 1459 01:07:47,785 --> 01:07:49,410 Spanier: I'm gonna recommend to the board 1460 01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:51,827 that 2005 be your last season. 1461 01:07:54,618 --> 01:07:57,618 McGinn: How old are you, sir? 1462 01:07:57,618 --> 01:08:00,201 Sue: He's 84. 1463 01:08:00,201 --> 01:08:01,618 Paterno: I may be 77, 1464 01:08:01,618 --> 01:08:03,951 - but I'm not old. - Joe. 1465 01:08:03,951 --> 01:08:06,660 I've raised millions of dollars for this university. 1466 01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:09,827 I graduate 85% of my players. 1467 01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:13,951 You wanna fire me... 1468 01:08:13,951 --> 01:08:15,660 try it. 1469 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,618 McGinn: Folks... 1470 01:08:20,618 --> 01:08:22,326 the question of whether... 1471 01:08:22,326 --> 01:08:25,326 Coach Paterno will retire or be fired 1472 01:08:25,326 --> 01:08:27,827 is a big part of the public narrative right now. 1473 01:08:27,827 --> 01:08:30,368 I want you all to think about that. 1474 01:08:30,368 --> 01:08:33,326 ( indistinct voices in background ) 1475 01:08:39,118 --> 01:08:40,368 You've had a great career. 1476 01:08:44,034 --> 01:08:47,201 Coach? A great career. 1477 01:08:56,243 --> 01:08:58,827 Man: I'm very disappointed in JoePa. 1478 01:08:58,827 --> 01:09:01,827 To be honest with ya, I've looked up to him my whole life. 1479 01:09:01,827 --> 01:09:05,535 Why would he stick up for a frickin' pedophile? 1480 01:09:05,535 --> 01:09:09,368 Why would this happen? Help me with this. 1481 01:09:15,368 --> 01:09:17,034 Man: Let's go, let's go, lets go! 1482 01:09:20,451 --> 01:09:25,285 Paterno: Did I see a reverse throwback to the quarterback? 1483 01:09:25,285 --> 01:09:27,909 Bone Right over 42. Pitch reverse pass. 1484 01:09:29,535 --> 01:09:33,660 Well, don't practice it unless you're gonna use it. 1485 01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:35,577 We'll use it. 1486 01:09:35,577 --> 01:09:36,410 Yeah. 1487 01:09:40,451 --> 01:09:41,451 So... 1488 01:09:43,993 --> 01:09:45,951 Uh, look, guys, uh... 1489 01:09:47,618 --> 01:09:49,535 Th-- This thing, uh... 1490 01:09:49,535 --> 01:09:52,410 is-- is-- is-- gotten, um... 1491 01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:55,951 you know, out of hand. So... 1492 01:09:57,909 --> 01:10:01,243 I-- I planned to, uh, 1493 01:10:01,243 --> 01:10:04,577 pack it in, end of they year, anyway. 1494 01:10:04,577 --> 01:10:06,827 So... 1495 01:10:11,909 --> 01:10:13,868 Guido: I am absolutely devastated 1496 01:10:13,868 --> 01:10:16,118 by the developments in this case. 1497 01:10:16,118 --> 01:10:19,618 I grieve for the children and their families, 1498 01:10:19,618 --> 01:10:22,285 and I pray for their comfort and relief. 1499 01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:25,451 I have come to work every day for the last 61 years 1500 01:10:25,451 --> 01:10:27,410 with one clear goal in mind: 1501 01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:30,118 to serve the best interests of this university 1502 01:10:30,118 --> 01:10:34,827 and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. 1503 01:10:34,827 --> 01:10:37,577 I have the same goal today. 1504 01:10:37,577 --> 01:10:40,118 That's why I've decided to announce my retirement, 1505 01:10:40,118 --> 01:10:43,535 effective at the end of this season. 1506 01:10:43,535 --> 01:10:46,410 I love you all, guys, I really do. 1507 01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:48,951 I want you to know that we're gonna play 1508 01:10:48,951 --> 01:10:51,451 the rest of the season together, awright? 1509 01:10:51,451 --> 01:10:53,368 That's the deal. 1510 01:10:53,368 --> 01:10:54,951 That's the new deal. 1511 01:10:54,951 --> 01:10:58,159 There's still a lot of football to play. 1512 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,827 A lot of interesting things can happen to all of you. 1513 01:11:02,827 --> 01:11:08,535 I want that for you. So, I want you to focus on that. 1514 01:11:08,535 --> 01:11:11,909 'Cause that's all there really is, what we do. 1515 01:11:11,909 --> 01:11:15,076 The rest of this is just something-- 1516 01:11:15,076 --> 01:11:17,993 I mean, what happened this last week... 1517 01:11:19,535 --> 01:11:20,993 is just-- 1518 01:11:23,993 --> 01:11:28,118 It's not your fault. You had nothin' to do with it. 1519 01:11:29,743 --> 01:11:33,243 But it-- It makes me feel bad... 1520 01:11:33,243 --> 01:11:36,577 that you, uh, had to put up with it. 1521 01:11:38,993 --> 01:11:42,410 We'll always be Penn State football players. 1522 01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:44,368 - All: Yes, sir. - Yep. 1523 01:11:44,368 --> 01:11:49,243 Always, till the day we die... 1524 01:11:52,243 --> 01:11:56,410 Paterno: I wish I could've done more for those kids. 1525 01:11:56,410 --> 01:11:58,326 Can't say that. 1526 01:11:58,326 --> 01:12:00,201 It's an admission of guilt. 1527 01:12:02,368 --> 01:12:05,743 Well, is there any human person looking at this 1528 01:12:05,743 --> 01:12:09,118 doesn't wish they could've done something more? 1529 01:12:09,118 --> 01:12:11,034 You're gonna be misquoted. 1530 01:12:13,243 --> 01:12:14,785 I'm gonna be gone. 1531 01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:27,243 - ( phone ringing ) - Dawn? 1532 01:12:27,243 --> 01:12:28,702 - Hi. - Hi. 1533 01:12:28,702 --> 01:12:30,618 I'm so sorry. Aaron tried to call me, 1534 01:12:30,618 --> 01:12:32,243 and I-- I was right-- 1535 01:12:32,243 --> 01:12:38,243 I-- I know. There was, um, a problem at school, and-- 1536 01:12:38,243 --> 01:12:40,743 We're not talking to any other reporters. 1537 01:12:40,743 --> 01:12:46,743 They all want to, but... we said no to everyone but you. 1538 01:12:46,743 --> 01:12:48,451 You get that, right? 1539 01:12:48,451 --> 01:12:49,909 I-- I know. I know, 1540 01:12:49,909 --> 01:12:53,285 and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that. 1541 01:12:53,285 --> 01:12:57,410 Do you wanna talk to Mike, Aaron's psychologist? 1542 01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:59,951 I mean, yeah. That would be great. 1543 01:12:59,951 --> 01:13:01,577 Would Aaron be okay with that? 1544 01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:03,118 I'm driving down there tonight 1545 01:13:03,118 --> 01:13:05,951 and I could meet with him tomorrow. 1546 01:13:05,951 --> 01:13:09,618 Dawn: Yeah. Aaron says it's okay. 1547 01:13:09,618 --> 01:13:13,410 Woman: Penn State football coach Joe Paterno will retire, 1548 01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:16,118 but tonight everyone is taking sides on what he asked 1549 01:13:16,118 --> 01:13:19,410 in return to coach four more games. 1550 01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:21,285 The poll conducted on ESPN suggested 1551 01:13:21,285 --> 01:13:23,868 that 61% of the people out there 1552 01:13:23,868 --> 01:13:26,118 think he should be allowed that opportunity. 1553 01:13:26,118 --> 01:13:28,285 If you ask people who are not sports fans, 1554 01:13:28,285 --> 01:13:30,660 you might get a very different result. 1555 01:13:31,785 --> 01:13:32,660 Sue: Joe? 1556 01:13:33,909 --> 01:13:36,702 - Come on, Joe. - Yeah. 1557 01:13:36,702 --> 01:13:38,743 Come on, hon. Let's go to bed. 1558 01:13:38,743 --> 01:13:40,660 - I, uh-- - Yeah? 1559 01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:42,285 Yes, I'm still home. 1560 01:13:42,285 --> 01:13:44,201 Yeah, that's enough work for one day. 1561 01:13:44,201 --> 01:13:46,201 Come on, let's go. 1562 01:13:46,201 --> 01:13:48,159 ( groans ) 1563 01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:52,076 I think-- hip is acting up again. 1564 01:13:52,076 --> 01:13:53,951 - Oh, it is? - Yeah. See that? 1565 01:13:53,951 --> 01:13:57,243 - Oh, man. - Oh, yeah. I'll give you a rub. 1566 01:13:57,243 --> 01:13:59,993 They say that's the-- that's the good-- 1567 01:13:59,993 --> 01:14:02,034 the best operation you can get. 1568 01:14:02,034 --> 01:14:03,201 A rub? 1569 01:14:03,201 --> 01:14:05,827 No, a hip op-- replacement, yeah. 1570 01:14:05,827 --> 01:14:07,326 - ( doorbell ) - You're not there yet. 1571 01:14:07,326 --> 01:14:09,118 - Oh, what's that? - What is that? 1572 01:14:09,118 --> 01:14:10,785 I don't know. 1573 01:14:10,785 --> 01:14:12,285 I'll get-- I'll get it. 1574 01:14:12,285 --> 01:14:14,034 Okay. 1575 01:14:14,034 --> 01:14:16,326 - Who callin' at this time? - I don't know. 1576 01:14:17,868 --> 01:14:19,451 - Yeah? - Hey, Joe. 1577 01:14:19,451 --> 01:14:21,660 - Hey, Frank. - Sorry to come here so late. 1578 01:14:21,660 --> 01:14:24,577 - That's all right. - This is for you. 1579 01:14:26,743 --> 01:14:29,868 They'd, uh-- they'd like you to call him. 1580 01:14:29,868 --> 01:14:31,868 Call him? 1581 01:14:31,868 --> 01:14:34,493 Oh. Yeah, thank you. 1582 01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:43,034 Well, the board of trustees is holding an emergency meeting 1583 01:14:43,034 --> 01:14:45,410 and there's a lot of speculation here on the future 1584 01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:47,368 of university president Graham Spanier. 1585 01:14:47,368 --> 01:14:50,243 Will he resign? 1586 01:14:50,243 --> 01:14:53,368 Will the board ask him to step down? 1587 01:14:53,368 --> 01:14:55,159 ( touchtones beeping ) 1588 01:15:01,951 --> 01:15:04,118 Yeah, it's Joe Paterno. 1589 01:15:13,118 --> 01:15:14,201 What? 1590 01:15:15,743 --> 01:15:16,743 They fired me. 1591 01:15:18,702 --> 01:15:19,785 What? 1592 01:15:19,785 --> 01:15:22,285 Yeah, effective immediately. 1593 01:15:24,368 --> 01:15:25,660 - Joe. - Yeah. 1594 01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:27,909 Joe, give me that phone. 1595 01:15:27,909 --> 01:15:29,034 Let me have that phone. 1596 01:15:30,577 --> 01:15:32,243 ( dialing ) 1597 01:15:35,909 --> 01:15:38,201 - ( line out ringing ) - Man: Hello? 1598 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:42,785 After 61 years, he deserved better. 1599 01:15:42,785 --> 01:15:43,827 ( beep ) 1600 01:15:53,285 --> 01:15:54,618 ( sighs ) 1601 01:15:57,285 --> 01:15:58,577 ( indistinct chatter ) 1602 01:15:58,577 --> 01:16:01,201 Man: ...the indictment of Jerry Sandusky, 1603 01:16:01,201 --> 01:16:02,743 the board... 1604 01:16:02,743 --> 01:16:04,535 Newhouse ( over phone ): Hey, listen. 1605 01:16:04,535 --> 01:16:06,618 Man on TV: ...Penn State's board of trustees, tonight, 1606 01:16:06,618 --> 01:16:11,410 decided that it is in the best interests of the university 1607 01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:13,993 to have a change in leadership to deal 1608 01:16:13,993 --> 01:16:18,118 with the difficult issues that we are facing. 1609 01:16:18,118 --> 01:16:21,118 The board of trustees and Graham Spanier have decided that, 1610 01:16:21,118 --> 01:16:27,034 effective immediately, Dr. Spanier is no longer president of the university. 1611 01:16:28,868 --> 01:16:31,785 In addition, Joe Paterno is no longer 1612 01:16:31,785 --> 01:16:33,493 the head football coach. 1613 01:16:33,493 --> 01:16:34,993 What? 1614 01:16:34,993 --> 01:16:36,785 ( all shouting ) 1615 01:16:40,410 --> 01:16:42,326 ( shouting continues ) 1616 01:16:42,326 --> 01:16:44,285 Man: Take that motherfucker down! 1617 01:16:44,285 --> 01:16:46,159 Joe Paterno is Penn State! 1618 01:16:52,451 --> 01:16:54,660 ( excited chatter ) 1619 01:16:58,243 --> 01:17:00,577 They fired him with a phone call. 1620 01:17:00,577 --> 01:17:03,577 After 45 years, You know, who the hell does that? 1621 01:17:06,201 --> 01:17:07,827 Student: He didn't give a shit about winning. 1622 01:17:07,827 --> 01:17:09,535 Student 2: He fuckin' won anyway. 1623 01:17:09,535 --> 01:17:11,201 It's a motherfuckin' travesty. 1624 01:17:11,201 --> 01:17:12,660 Get off his fuckin' lawn. 1625 01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:16,118 Students chanting: We want Joe! We want Joe! 1626 01:17:16,118 --> 01:17:20,118 ( chanting ) We want Joe! We want Joe! We want Joe! 1627 01:17:20,118 --> 01:17:23,076 ( chanting continues ) 1628 01:17:23,076 --> 01:17:25,368 ( all cheering ) 1629 01:17:28,326 --> 01:17:30,326 - ( chanting ) Joe Paterno! - ( rhythmic clapping ) 1630 01:17:30,326 --> 01:17:32,410 You're great, you guys. 1631 01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:37,368 You guys are great. And-- And let me tell you this: 1632 01:17:37,368 --> 01:17:41,868 You know what I say, guys-- you know, I mean girls too-- 1633 01:17:41,868 --> 01:17:45,410 - We love you, Joe! - ( cheering ) 1634 01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:50,993 Listen. You gotta-- You gotta-- You gotta study now, all right? 1635 01:17:50,993 --> 01:17:52,785 ( angry shouting ) 1636 01:17:52,785 --> 01:17:57,201 You gotta get a good night's sleep so you can study. 1637 01:17:57,201 --> 01:17:58,702 We still got things to do. 1638 01:18:01,577 --> 01:18:04,326 I'm out of it now, maybe, 1639 01:18:04,326 --> 01:18:06,076 that phone call put me out of it, 1640 01:18:06,076 --> 01:18:08,909 but we're gonna go from here, okay? 1641 01:18:08,909 --> 01:18:10,993 We're gonna go from here. 1642 01:18:10,993 --> 01:18:13,577 You know, because things have ways-- 1643 01:18:13,577 --> 01:18:14,909 they have ways of working out. 1644 01:18:14,909 --> 01:18:17,159 We want Joe! One more day! 1645 01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:19,243 We don't know what's gonna happen ever. 1646 01:18:19,243 --> 01:18:20,868 Right? And the same with you. 1647 01:18:20,868 --> 01:18:22,410 So, take care of yourselves. 1648 01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:23,868 It's important you do that. 1649 01:18:23,868 --> 01:18:27,702 Right? All right. You're gonna be fine. 1650 01:18:27,702 --> 01:18:31,076 - ( all clamoring ) - Oh-- Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1651 01:18:31,076 --> 01:18:33,868 Good luck to you all, but listen to me just a second. 1652 01:18:33,868 --> 01:18:35,410 I thank you for coming. 1653 01:18:35,410 --> 01:18:40,618 Pray a little bit for the-- for those victims, okay? 1654 01:18:40,618 --> 01:18:42,451 We'll do that. Okay. 1655 01:18:42,451 --> 01:18:45,034 - Joe! Joe! - We love you! 1656 01:18:45,034 --> 01:18:46,909 ( chanting ) We are Penn State! We are Penn State! 1657 01:18:46,909 --> 01:18:48,368 That's right! 1658 01:18:48,368 --> 01:18:49,909 ( chanting continues ) 1659 01:18:49,909 --> 01:18:51,785 We are Penn State! 1660 01:19:00,493 --> 01:19:02,951 ( siren wails in distance ) 1661 01:19:04,785 --> 01:19:07,993 We want Joe! We want Joe! We want Joe! 1662 01:19:07,993 --> 01:19:09,993 ( all chanting ) 1663 01:19:09,993 --> 01:19:12,410 Excuse me! Can I ask you any questions?! 1664 01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:15,827 All: We want Joe! We want Joe! We want Joe! 1665 01:19:15,827 --> 01:19:18,076 What did you think about happened to JoePa? 1666 01:19:18,076 --> 01:19:20,951 Kids got abused and he didn't tell the police. 1667 01:19:20,951 --> 01:19:22,201 You go to jail for that. 1668 01:19:22,201 --> 01:19:23,951 - Let's go! - Can I, can I-- 1669 01:19:23,951 --> 01:19:25,660 Can I maybe quote you on that? 1670 01:19:25,660 --> 01:19:28,493 No! I don't want to get fucking killed in my bed! 1671 01:19:32,451 --> 01:19:35,326 ( crowd roaring ) 1672 01:19:35,326 --> 01:19:37,660 ( siren wailing ) 1673 01:19:43,034 --> 01:19:45,577 Young man: The vice president of the school 1674 01:19:45,577 --> 01:19:47,577 knew about it in 1998. 1675 01:19:47,577 --> 01:19:48,993 Heard about it twice. 1676 01:19:48,993 --> 01:19:51,577 You hear it twice and you don't hang the guy, 1677 01:19:51,577 --> 01:19:52,743 you're just an (bleep)hole. 1678 01:19:52,743 --> 01:19:55,076 Joe heard about it in 2001. 1679 01:19:55,076 --> 01:19:57,702 He reported it immediately. 1680 01:19:57,702 --> 01:20:00,868 But we're definitely telling Second Mile, right? 1681 01:20:00,868 --> 01:20:02,702 Curley: Uh, yeah. 1682 01:20:02,702 --> 01:20:04,535 And-- and the Child Welfare thing, 1683 01:20:04,535 --> 01:20:07,243 we're just playing it by ear, and Graham's okay with that? 1684 01:20:07,243 --> 01:20:11,660 Well, Graham says the only downside is if Jerry doesn't get it and this happens again. 1685 01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:15,285 Then we're vulnerable for not having reported it. 1686 01:20:15,285 --> 01:20:17,368 But we can deal with that down the road. 1687 01:20:17,368 --> 01:20:18,993 Joe's fine with that. 1688 01:20:18,993 --> 01:20:20,702 - Paterno? - Yeah. 1689 01:20:20,702 --> 01:20:22,535 But he doesn't know about the last time, 1690 01:20:22,535 --> 01:20:24,118 the thing from '98. 1691 01:20:24,118 --> 01:20:26,034 Yeah, of course he knows. 1692 01:20:26,034 --> 01:20:27,034 I sat down with him when it happened. 1693 01:20:27,034 --> 01:20:28,618 He was all over me about it. 1694 01:20:28,618 --> 01:20:30,076 You sat down with him 1695 01:20:30,076 --> 01:20:31,410 when it happened? 1696 01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:33,076 He wanted constant updates. 1697 01:20:33,076 --> 01:20:35,076 You ever keep Paterno waiting on anything? 1698 01:20:35,076 --> 01:20:36,410 He's like a woodpecker. 1699 01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:37,451 ( chanting ) We want Joe! 1700 01:20:37,451 --> 01:20:39,493 We want Joe! We want Joe! 1701 01:20:39,493 --> 01:20:41,702 ( chanting continues ) 1702 01:20:41,702 --> 01:20:44,909 Schultz: Tim, if Joe knows this is the second incident-- 1703 01:20:44,909 --> 01:20:46,577 And you're sure? 1704 01:20:46,577 --> 01:20:48,159 Curley: Look, I've-- I've got emails 1705 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,577 up one side and down the other. Yes. 1706 01:20:50,577 --> 01:20:53,201 ( sighs ) I don't know. 1707 01:20:53,201 --> 01:20:56,743 Gary. If we need to report it, we'll report it. 1708 01:20:56,743 --> 01:20:58,577 But we start with sitting down 1709 01:20:58,577 --> 01:21:01,034 and talking to Jerry like a person. 1710 01:21:01,034 --> 01:21:02,326 Joe's fine with that. 1711 01:21:02,326 --> 01:21:06,827 - Okay? - Yeah. Yeah, fine. 1712 01:21:06,827 --> 01:21:09,577 Sit tight, and this is gonna get taken care of. 1713 01:21:18,493 --> 01:21:19,785 Man 1: What do they do first? 1714 01:21:19,785 --> 01:21:21,993 They protect themselves first, 1715 01:21:21,993 --> 01:21:23,577 try to sweep it under the rug. 1716 01:21:23,577 --> 01:21:24,909 That's one thing the Catholic Church 1717 01:21:24,909 --> 01:21:26,285 and Penn State have in common. 1718 01:21:26,285 --> 01:21:27,451 Man 2: Joe's not the one who should be 1719 01:21:27,451 --> 01:21:29,159 taking the fall for this. 1720 01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:31,118 It's fuckin' Jerry. Get the fuck off JoePa. 1721 01:21:31,118 --> 01:21:32,785 Man 3: It's the media who singled out Joe Paterno. 1722 01:21:32,785 --> 01:21:34,785 They made him look like a fuckin' villain! 1723 01:21:34,785 --> 01:21:38,493 You call him a legend, then treat him like a legend. 1724 01:21:38,493 --> 01:21:40,285 Man 4: Here's a man that was told 1725 01:21:40,285 --> 01:21:43,785 that a ten-year-old boy was being sodomized 1726 01:21:43,785 --> 01:21:47,159 in his backyard, and did nothing about it. 1727 01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:49,451 Woman: He has done so much for this university, 1728 01:21:49,451 --> 01:21:51,034 and within the past four days, 1729 01:21:51,034 --> 01:21:52,785 everything we knew of Joe Paterno 1730 01:21:52,785 --> 01:21:55,326 has been ripped away from us-- 1731 01:21:55,326 --> 01:21:57,702 Man 4: And rightfully so! He's as much of an animal as the guy that did the act. 1732 01:21:57,702 --> 01:22:00,827 Man 5: Are you kidding me? How stupid do you have to be 1733 01:22:00,827 --> 01:22:03,827 to go ahead and protest over taking down 1734 01:22:03,827 --> 01:22:05,660 a ring of child abusers?! 1735 01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:07,159 Are you serious?! 1736 01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:08,660 Man 6: Two years ago, we had no idea 1737 01:22:08,660 --> 01:22:09,909 and it was a great football program. 1738 01:22:09,909 --> 01:22:11,493 Man 7: Yeah, a few years ago, 1739 01:22:11,493 --> 01:22:13,410 you had several kids getting raped. 1740 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:14,993 Man 8: You guys have been brainwashed by that school. 1741 01:22:14,993 --> 01:22:16,535 It's nothing but a cult-- 1742 01:22:16,535 --> 01:22:19,451 Man 9: This has football written all over it! 1743 01:22:19,451 --> 01:22:21,034 Man 10: He did exactly the right thing. 1744 01:22:21,034 --> 01:22:22,535 If he had done any more, 1745 01:22:22,535 --> 01:22:24,785 he would have been criticized for that... 1746 01:22:24,785 --> 01:22:27,326 - ( overlapping newscasts ) - ( students chanting ) 1747 01:22:27,326 --> 01:22:30,159 ( chanting ) Fuck the media! 1748 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,410 Fuck the media! 1749 01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:34,951 Fuck the media! 1750 01:22:34,951 --> 01:22:37,410 Fuck the media! 1751 01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:39,410 Fuck the media! 1752 01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:41,076 Fuck the media! 1753 01:22:41,076 --> 01:22:43,285 ( chanting ) We want Joe! We want Joe! 1754 01:22:43,285 --> 01:22:45,535 We want Joe! We want Joe! 1755 01:22:45,535 --> 01:22:47,702 We want Joe! We want Joe! 1756 01:22:47,702 --> 01:22:49,702 ( chanting continues ) 1757 01:22:55,618 --> 01:22:58,660 Man: Good morning to you. It was really a wild night. 1758 01:22:58,660 --> 01:23:02,368 It all started after students here learned that Joe Paterno had been fired. 1759 01:23:02,368 --> 01:23:04,076 Man 2: I think it was a witch hunt, 1760 01:23:04,076 --> 01:23:05,493 and everybody got what they wanted. 1761 01:23:05,493 --> 01:23:07,243 Woman: Back in 1998, 1762 01:23:07,243 --> 01:23:09,535 this should've and could've stopped. 1763 01:23:09,535 --> 01:23:11,660 Man 3: It almost makes Paterno look like a fraud 1764 01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:13,618 for everything he always stood for. 1765 01:23:13,618 --> 01:23:15,368 Woman: And that's what he has now opened himself up for 1766 01:23:15,368 --> 01:23:18,451 because he always had the moral superiority. 1767 01:23:18,451 --> 01:23:19,618 Man: Right. 1768 01:23:19,618 --> 01:23:21,368 ( indistinct chatter ) 1769 01:23:21,368 --> 01:23:24,159 Hey guys, guys, can you just back off the car? 1770 01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,076 Jay, one question: Was your father fired 1771 01:23:26,076 --> 01:23:28,410 because he didn't tell the grand jury everything he knew? 1772 01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:31,076 No, I don't-- we don't have an answer for-- 1773 01:23:31,076 --> 01:23:33,660 - Woman: ...Victim Six in your locker room... - Yes, OK, take-- 1774 01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:35,410 Guys. Guys! Will you, 1775 01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:36,827 out of respect for the children-- 1776 01:23:36,827 --> 01:23:38,118 That's why we're here: the kids. 1777 01:23:38,118 --> 01:23:39,201 No, I-- 1778 01:23:39,201 --> 01:23:40,493 All right, your kids. 1779 01:23:40,493 --> 01:23:43,285 Sorry. Didn't see them there. Sorry. 1780 01:23:43,285 --> 01:23:44,451 Thanks, man. 1781 01:23:46,785 --> 01:23:48,743 Okay. Okay, guys. Come on. 1782 01:23:48,743 --> 01:23:52,243 Just go straight up to see Grandpa, all right? Come on. 1783 01:23:56,368 --> 01:23:58,368 Just go straight up. Straight up. 1784 01:24:02,993 --> 01:24:04,451 Jay: I'm gonna get canned. 1785 01:24:04,451 --> 01:24:07,410 Bradley wants me to come talk to him. 1786 01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:10,951 I don't think they're gonna fire you. 1787 01:24:10,951 --> 01:24:12,785 Why? 1788 01:24:12,785 --> 01:24:15,493 ( chuckles ) It's a witch hunt. 1789 01:24:15,493 --> 01:24:19,827 If they go for you, there's no reason they won't go for me. 1790 01:24:22,034 --> 01:24:25,285 The board of trustees wants to make this all about us. 1791 01:24:25,285 --> 01:24:27,785 And football. 'Cause if they don't, 1792 01:24:27,785 --> 01:24:29,577 it'd have to be about Second Mile, 1793 01:24:29,577 --> 01:24:30,827 where the guy actually worked. 1794 01:24:34,201 --> 01:24:36,493 So who's gonna be left holding the bag 1795 01:24:36,493 --> 01:24:38,326 if they can't blame it on us? 1796 01:24:40,410 --> 01:24:42,201 Oh, I don't know, ya know? 1797 01:24:46,577 --> 01:24:50,159 Dad, what exactly did you...say? 1798 01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:53,951 McQueary came to me, 1799 01:24:53,951 --> 01:24:57,034 and he told me what he told me. 1800 01:24:57,034 --> 01:25:02,159 First time I ever heard anything...like this. 1801 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,618 So... 1802 01:25:04,618 --> 01:25:07,493 I knew I couldn't handle it, so I went-- 1803 01:25:09,493 --> 01:25:11,076 I mean, what am I gonna do? 1804 01:25:11,076 --> 01:25:15,493 Go runnin' with some things I-- I don't know are true? 1805 01:25:17,118 --> 01:25:19,702 So I went to Tim... 1806 01:25:19,702 --> 01:25:21,368 and Gary. 1807 01:25:21,368 --> 01:25:24,285 ( sighs ) Why them? 1808 01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:28,201 I didn't see it, Jay. 1809 01:25:28,201 --> 01:25:31,034 I didn't see it. 1810 01:25:31,034 --> 01:25:35,159 Tim and Gary are all right, I mean, they-- 1811 01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:37,868 Ya know? Capable people. 1812 01:25:41,493 --> 01:25:44,535 You know, the best thing about this job... 1813 01:25:45,993 --> 01:25:49,702 is the young people you get to work with. 1814 01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:57,909 You see 'em come up as young kids... and mature. 1815 01:26:00,535 --> 01:26:03,827 See 'em grow up... 1816 01:26:03,827 --> 01:26:07,201 overcome some adversity, 1817 01:26:07,201 --> 01:26:09,743 have some success. 1818 01:26:11,034 --> 01:26:13,577 They turn out to be good people. 1819 01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:17,993 They come back and say, 1820 01:26:17,993 --> 01:26:20,743 "Hey, Coach. 1821 01:26:20,743 --> 01:26:24,285 It was so great... 1822 01:26:24,285 --> 01:26:26,951 being a Penn State football player." 1823 01:26:29,951 --> 01:26:31,201 Yeah. 1824 01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:35,618 My name... 1825 01:26:37,660 --> 01:26:41,577 I spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. 1826 01:26:43,201 --> 01:26:44,868 And it's gone now. 1827 01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:53,285 ( church bell ringing ) 1828 01:26:57,827 --> 01:27:00,410 Man: Aaron came forward three years ago, 1829 01:27:00,410 --> 01:27:03,368 in this office, after his school told him not to report it 1830 01:27:03,368 --> 01:27:06,159 because Jerry Sandusky had a heart of gold. 1831 01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:07,785 We contacted the police that day, 1832 01:27:07,785 --> 01:27:09,785 and usually cases like this it takes a week, 1833 01:27:09,785 --> 01:27:11,159 maybe a month, to get an arrest. 1834 01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:14,159 This took three years... of waiting, 1835 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,451 of a scared boy telling a horror story, 1836 01:27:16,451 --> 01:27:20,076 to me, to a trooper, to two other troopers, 1837 01:27:20,076 --> 01:27:22,451 to two other new troopers, a grand jury, 1838 01:27:22,451 --> 01:27:24,827 then a second grand jury, and a third. 1839 01:27:24,827 --> 01:27:26,451 Still no arrest. 1840 01:27:26,451 --> 01:27:29,159 He suffered from panic attacks, 1841 01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:31,368 insomnia, conversion syndrome. 1842 01:27:31,368 --> 01:27:33,076 I don't recall how often 1843 01:27:33,076 --> 01:27:36,743 or how many times he tried to kill himself. 1844 01:27:36,743 --> 01:27:39,868 Attorney generals have looked him in the eye-- 1845 01:27:39,868 --> 01:27:41,326 in the eye-- 1846 01:27:41,326 --> 01:27:45,368 "and said, "We're gonna arrest this monster next week." 1847 01:27:45,368 --> 01:27:47,201 Then more months would go by, 1848 01:27:47,201 --> 01:27:48,827 and then more months would go by. 1849 01:27:49,951 --> 01:27:51,618 Three years he stuck with this 1850 01:27:51,618 --> 01:27:54,743 because he didn't wanna see another kid get hurt. 1851 01:27:54,743 --> 01:27:57,285 What do you think about the Paterno situation? 1852 01:27:57,285 --> 01:28:01,118 I honestly don't know why anybody's talking about Joe Paterno. 1853 01:28:01,118 --> 01:28:03,993 Somebody six months from retirement failed to see the big picture 1854 01:28:03,993 --> 01:28:06,159 and didn't vigorously protect children? 1855 01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,785 Of course you goddamn fire him. 1856 01:28:08,785 --> 01:28:12,993 It's spectacularly unworthy of conversation. I'm sorry. 1857 01:28:12,993 --> 01:28:16,034 A crime against children happened-- 1858 01:28:16,034 --> 01:28:19,535 why the heck is anyone talking about Joe Paterno? 1859 01:28:19,535 --> 01:28:23,451 Man: Coaches on the same staff for 32 years... 1860 01:28:23,451 --> 01:28:28,243 Man 2: Coaching staffs spend so much time together in a room, 1861 01:28:28,243 --> 01:28:31,535 in the dark, with the film on, and talkin', and-- 1862 01:28:31,535 --> 01:28:33,410 these guys are all close. 1863 01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:36,451 - ( opera plays on stereo ) - TV: Know what he's gonna do? 1864 01:28:36,451 --> 01:28:38,368 He's not going to prop his feet up. 1865 01:28:38,368 --> 01:28:42,493 He's gonna go help young people in a program that he started... 1866 01:28:42,493 --> 01:28:44,909 What's this? 1867 01:28:44,909 --> 01:28:46,827 Alamo Bowl. 1868 01:28:47,909 --> 01:28:49,451 When was it? 1869 01:28:49,451 --> 01:28:51,535 Everybody wants dates. I don't know. 1870 01:28:53,368 --> 01:28:57,410 Before he retired. '99, maybe. 1871 01:28:57,410 --> 01:29:01,660 Which one is, um, New Orleans? 1872 01:29:01,660 --> 01:29:04,118 - What? - Which bowl? 1873 01:29:04,118 --> 01:29:05,577 Sugar bowl. 1874 01:29:05,577 --> 01:29:08,118 That was in the '70's a couple times. 1875 01:29:08,118 --> 01:29:10,618 Yeah. 1876 01:29:10,618 --> 01:29:12,243 He went in the pool with the kids 1877 01:29:12,243 --> 01:29:15,577 at the bowl games in New Orleans and Miami. 1878 01:29:15,577 --> 01:29:18,951 - Who? Jerry did? - Yeah. 1879 01:29:18,951 --> 01:29:21,743 Well, you didn't like to go in the pool, remember? 1880 01:29:23,993 --> 01:29:26,868 I mean, you were working, on a towel, 1881 01:29:26,868 --> 01:29:29,660 and, uh, I went in with them. 1882 01:29:29,660 --> 01:29:32,451 But I don't throw the kids up in the air. The dads do that. 1883 01:29:33,577 --> 01:29:36,285 And they-- they scream. 1884 01:29:36,285 --> 01:29:38,285 They just love that. 1885 01:29:38,285 --> 01:29:42,118 What? Our kids? 1886 01:29:42,118 --> 01:29:45,951 Yeah. I-- I didn't do that with our kids. Jerry did. 1887 01:29:48,285 --> 01:29:50,034 What are you saying? 1888 01:29:50,034 --> 01:29:51,702 I'm saying you couldn't have known. 1889 01:29:51,702 --> 01:29:55,159 Otherwise you wouldn't have let them go in the pool, right? 1890 01:30:05,577 --> 01:30:08,159 I had a job to do. 1891 01:30:11,702 --> 01:30:15,118 I was working. 1892 01:30:15,118 --> 01:30:18,660 I wasn't focused on the goddamn pool. 1893 01:30:35,243 --> 01:30:37,660 Announcer: For decades, Penn State 1894 01:30:37,660 --> 01:30:41,368 represented what was best about college athletics. 1895 01:30:41,368 --> 01:30:43,159 For the past week, it has reflected 1896 01:30:43,159 --> 01:30:45,951 what is often worst about human beings. 1897 01:30:45,951 --> 01:30:50,618 And today, for the first time since late 1965, 1898 01:30:50,618 --> 01:30:52,660 Joe Paterno will not be the head coach, 1899 01:30:52,660 --> 01:30:55,285 and those in Beaver Stadium hope that they can aid, 1900 01:30:55,285 --> 01:30:58,451 in some small way, in the healing process. 1901 01:30:58,451 --> 01:31:00,285 Penn State and Nebraska. 1902 01:31:00,285 --> 01:31:02,743 From University Park, Dave Pasch will have the call. 1903 01:31:05,868 --> 01:31:09,118 And the Nebraska and Penn State players, 1904 01:31:09,118 --> 01:31:12,868 currently sharing the sentiments of many around the nation, 1905 01:31:12,868 --> 01:31:15,535 gathering in prayer... 1906 01:31:15,535 --> 01:31:17,743 for the victims of these aberrations 1907 01:31:17,743 --> 01:31:20,702 to show their solidarity and support. 1908 01:31:22,618 --> 01:31:27,326 And obviously, an emotional day for many reasons. 1909 01:31:27,326 --> 01:31:29,034 A lot of Joe Paterno fans. 1910 01:31:29,034 --> 01:31:31,743 Paterno was to pass Amos Alonzo Stagg today 1911 01:31:31,743 --> 01:31:34,410 for most games coached in Division I. 1912 01:31:34,410 --> 01:31:37,118 Commentator: It's been a week nobody could've imagined here, Dave, 1913 01:31:37,118 --> 01:31:38,743 at the state college, 1914 01:31:38,743 --> 01:31:41,577 the reach and scope of all that has happened... 1915 01:31:41,577 --> 01:31:43,451 ( broadcast fading out ) 1916 01:31:47,743 --> 01:31:49,410 ( chanting ) Penn State! 1917 01:31:50,577 --> 01:31:52,243 Penn State! 1918 01:31:54,118 --> 01:31:55,743 Penn State! 1919 01:31:57,577 --> 01:32:00,243 Penn State! 1920 01:32:00,243 --> 01:32:03,577 Announcer: It's been such an emotional week for the Paterno family, 1921 01:32:03,577 --> 01:32:05,951 and this morning Jay Paterno went by early 1922 01:32:05,951 --> 01:32:08,243 to see his parents, Joe and Sue. 1923 01:32:08,243 --> 01:32:11,034 Fearful that he might not be able to contain the emotions, 1924 01:32:11,034 --> 01:32:13,159 he wrote a letter, but he asked that his parents 1925 01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:15,785 not read that letter while he was there at the house. 1926 01:32:15,785 --> 01:32:19,618 "Wait to read it later, after I leave, Dad" is what he told Joe. 1927 01:32:19,618 --> 01:32:21,618 A letter to be read, basically giving him the message 1928 01:32:21,618 --> 01:32:24,493 of what he means to him, what this day means to him. 1929 01:32:26,076 --> 01:32:27,493 Martinez keeping, 1930 01:32:27,493 --> 01:32:29,159 and then pitching it the last second, 1931 01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:33,410 and Burkehead is in-- touchdown, Nebraska! 1932 01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:37,993 And Nebraska has opened up a 17-0 lead. 1933 01:32:37,993 --> 01:32:39,785 ( crowd cheering ) 1934 01:32:39,785 --> 01:32:41,285 We hear in the background 1935 01:32:41,285 --> 01:32:43,868 chants from the student section for JoePa... 1936 01:32:43,868 --> 01:32:46,368 Female commentator: The Paternos must be a letter-writing family. 1937 01:32:46,368 --> 01:32:48,118 Matt McGloin told me that Joe Paterno 1938 01:32:48,118 --> 01:32:49,951 sent a letter to the players, a short note, 1939 01:32:49,951 --> 01:32:52,243 and in that letter it said that he was heartbroken, 1940 01:32:52,243 --> 01:32:54,159 sorry he couldn't be with them, 1941 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:57,660 but he wanted them to focus on this game and not on him. 1942 01:32:57,660 --> 01:32:58,951 Dave? 1943 01:32:58,951 --> 01:33:01,493 Pasch: And McGloin fumbled the ball! 1944 01:33:01,493 --> 01:33:03,868 ( crowd roaring ) 1945 01:33:06,118 --> 01:33:09,368 ( broadcast continues, indistinct ) 1946 01:33:19,827 --> 01:33:22,159 ...touchdown! 1947 01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,118 Two scores in five minutes 1948 01:33:24,118 --> 01:33:27,159 and Penn State is back within three, with the football. 1949 01:33:27,159 --> 01:33:29,618 ...there's always Joe Paterno on what to do here, 1950 01:33:29,618 --> 01:33:31,326 whether to go on fourth-and-one. 1951 01:33:31,326 --> 01:33:34,660 Penn State down three. 1952 01:33:34,660 --> 01:33:37,909 If McGloin gets the play off, this'll be the final play. 1953 01:33:37,909 --> 01:33:40,285 McGloin running around... 1954 01:33:40,285 --> 01:33:41,868 ( crowd roars ) 1955 01:33:41,868 --> 01:33:44,868 ...and it's incomplete. Nebraska wins! 1956 01:33:53,285 --> 01:33:56,076 ( chatter ) 1957 01:33:56,076 --> 01:33:57,743 - Roll for me, Charlie. - Right. 1958 01:33:59,201 --> 01:34:00,535 Oh! 1959 01:34:00,535 --> 01:34:04,451 The D came out in nickel, stacked the strong side. 1960 01:34:04,451 --> 01:34:06,868 The O-line got no push. 1961 01:34:09,368 --> 01:34:10,201 What is that? 1962 01:34:11,868 --> 01:34:12,743 Hey, Dad? 1963 01:34:14,034 --> 01:34:16,743 Listen, I talked to Merrick. 1964 01:34:16,743 --> 01:34:17,868 The Big Ten wants to... 1965 01:34:19,451 --> 01:34:21,535 ...change the name on the trophy. 1966 01:34:21,535 --> 01:34:22,535 Scott: What? 1967 01:34:22,535 --> 01:34:24,368 The Stagg-Paterno Trophy? 1968 01:34:24,368 --> 01:34:25,660 What the hell they gonna call it? 1969 01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:27,285 Jay: I don't know. 1970 01:34:27,285 --> 01:34:29,909 I think we call Jim Delany and-- and talk him down. 1971 01:34:29,909 --> 01:34:31,785 - It's a panic move. - No, no-- 1972 01:34:31,785 --> 01:34:33,702 - Dan McGinn should call. - Yeah, you're right. 1973 01:34:33,702 --> 01:34:35,285 They're not gonna announce till Monday. 1974 01:34:35,285 --> 01:34:37,076 If we get to Delany today, then it'll be fine. 1975 01:34:37,076 --> 01:34:39,535 - Stop. - No, this is not where we stop. 1976 01:34:39,535 --> 01:34:41,909 This is where we fight. This is where it starts. 1977 01:34:41,909 --> 01:34:44,076 - We're in the fight of our lives for this... - Stop. 1978 01:34:44,076 --> 01:34:45,743 Stop!!! 1979 01:34:49,118 --> 01:34:52,076 No more. No more... 1980 01:34:58,410 --> 01:35:00,076 ( wheezing ) 1981 01:35:09,118 --> 01:35:11,909 ( MRI machine vibrating ) 1982 01:35:17,285 --> 01:35:20,159 Sue ( voice echoing ): He went in the pool with the kids at bowl games. 1983 01:35:21,660 --> 01:35:24,451 Paterno: Our kids? 1984 01:35:24,451 --> 01:35:26,451 Sue: You couldn't have known. 1985 01:35:26,451 --> 01:35:29,159 Otherwise you wouldn't have let them go in the pool. 1986 01:35:32,034 --> 01:35:33,951 Paterno: I was working. 1987 01:35:33,951 --> 01:35:39,451 I wasn't focused on the goddamn pool. 1988 01:35:39,451 --> 01:35:42,159 Sue: Joe! 1989 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,451 Joe, get in the pool. Go play with Jay! 1990 01:35:44,451 --> 01:35:47,785 Dad, come get in the pool. Come here, Dad. 1991 01:35:47,785 --> 01:35:52,326 Joe, get in the pool! Go play with Jay. 1992 01:35:52,326 --> 01:35:53,951 Jay: Dad. Come here, Dad. 1993 01:35:53,951 --> 01:35:55,827 - ( kids laughing ) - Sue: Joe! 1994 01:35:57,660 --> 01:36:00,535 - Jay: Come here, Dad! - Sue: Joe! 1995 01:36:17,076 --> 01:36:19,159 ( kids laughing ) 1996 01:36:42,535 --> 01:36:44,909 Aah! Oh my-- Aah-- 1997 01:36:44,909 --> 01:36:46,493 Paterno: Aah! 1998 01:36:46,493 --> 01:36:48,660 ( gasping ) 1999 01:36:55,285 --> 01:36:59,535 Man: It's a small-cell carcinoma in the left lung, 2000 01:36:59,535 --> 01:37:02,743 and it looks like it's metastasized, which-- 2001 01:37:02,743 --> 01:37:04,993 It's not what we want to see. 2002 01:37:04,993 --> 01:37:07,326 And we're gonna go at it with all we've got. 2003 01:37:07,326 --> 01:37:08,785 That means chemotherapy, 2004 01:37:08,785 --> 01:37:11,410 and then, of course, with radiation. 2005 01:37:11,410 --> 01:37:14,660 But given the bronchitis you've got now, 2006 01:37:14,660 --> 01:37:17,785 your broken pelvis, and your age... 2007 01:37:17,785 --> 01:37:19,909 ( voice fading out ) 2008 01:37:41,076 --> 01:37:44,243 ( men arguing ) 2009 01:37:44,243 --> 01:37:46,118 - Just leave me alone. - Get the fuck out of here! 2010 01:37:46,118 --> 01:37:48,285 - This is wrong. - You're wrong, pal. 2011 01:37:48,285 --> 01:37:49,785 Everybody's got an opinion. 2012 01:37:49,785 --> 01:37:50,951 What makes yours special, huh? 2013 01:37:50,951 --> 01:37:52,368 Get out of here. 2014 01:37:52,368 --> 01:37:54,076 Man: Get the fuck out of here. 2015 01:37:59,618 --> 01:38:01,493 ( phone ringing ) 2016 01:38:05,618 --> 01:38:07,118 ( ringing ) 2017 01:38:08,493 --> 01:38:09,951 Sara Ganim. 2018 01:38:11,951 --> 01:38:13,285 Hello? 2019 01:38:13,285 --> 01:38:14,702 Man: Hi. 2020 01:38:14,702 --> 01:38:17,159 H-Hi. Who-- who is this? 2021 01:38:17,159 --> 01:38:20,410 Um, do I have to say right now? 2022 01:38:20,410 --> 01:38:23,118 Uh, n-n-no? 2023 01:38:23,118 --> 01:38:25,285 Whatever's comfortable. 2024 01:38:25,285 --> 01:38:29,326 Um, m-my lawyer said I should call you. I-- 2025 01:38:29,326 --> 01:38:30,951 I grew up in State College. 2026 01:38:30,951 --> 01:38:32,743 Okay. 2027 01:38:32,743 --> 01:38:35,743 Jerry Sandusky... 2028 01:38:35,743 --> 01:38:39,326 Yeah. Um... 2029 01:38:39,326 --> 01:38:40,868 there are a lot of people who have-- 2030 01:38:40,868 --> 01:38:43,951 have gone through this. I'm sure you know that. 2031 01:38:43,951 --> 01:38:45,702 Yeah. ( clears throat ) 2032 01:38:45,702 --> 01:38:49,326 Um, have you-- have you talked to anyone about this? 2033 01:38:49,326 --> 01:38:53,993 Well, the lawyer and... I talked to Joe. 2034 01:38:55,326 --> 01:38:58,660 Joe... J-Joe Paterno? 2035 01:38:58,660 --> 01:39:01,660 We-- We didn't really talk about it. 2036 01:39:01,660 --> 01:39:05,285 He said that Jerry's, um, a good man, 2037 01:39:05,285 --> 01:39:07,660 and I shouldn't talk that way about a good man. 2038 01:39:09,702 --> 01:39:11,993 That was pretty much it. 2039 01:39:11,993 --> 01:39:12,993 Okay. 2040 01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:20,076 And, um, do you, uh-- 2041 01:39:20,076 --> 01:39:22,410 Do you remember when exactly it was that this-- 2042 01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,201 that this all took place? 2043 01:39:25,201 --> 01:39:28,868 Yeah. It was in summer. 2044 01:39:28,868 --> 01:39:31,034 In 1976. 2045 01:39:31,034 --> 01:39:32,076 Uh-- 2046 01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:37,034 Uh, I'm sorry. You said...1976? 2047 01:39:41,535 --> 01:39:44,076 ( music playing )